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Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

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Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

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Post by chris11 »

Andaith wrote: post #3

I'm a foreigner so I don't fully understand this, but here's my take: 1) Tesla is restarting the factory against local rules saying they can't, because their competition is in different localities with their local rules saying they can, and Tesla is at a disadvantage. 2) It's basically illegal for the workers to go to work, but Tesla is still insisting they do this? 3) the local council has said they won't do enforce…

The workers aren't risking any criminal consequences. It's much more effective for CA to go after the company.

The email is just trying to intimidate people into coming in or not filing for unemployment.

The normal process is that an unemployed person files for unemployment and also reports earned income and rejected job offers. Both can negatively impact their unemployment claims. Unemployment actually costs companies money.

Normally turning down the same job with the same pay you were laid off from would disqualify you from receiving unemployment. You'd need a great reason. A pandemic, and a shelter in place order are both great reasons. I'm assuming not showing up the factory would not disqualify you.

But CA's unemployment system is overloaded right now. I really wouldn't want to be dealing with it, let alone have my claim be a special case.

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

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Post by evgen »

graycrow wrote: post #33

Many other businesses of the same size are probably already doing or will do the same, but it is Tesla who is always disgraced in the media.

I guess that is what happens when you are led by a douchebag narcissist who can't shut his fucking mouth for even five minutes (c.f. the USA).

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

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Post by masonic »

clouddrover wrote: post #14
gamblor956 wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're not missing anything. The local county has already said they won't prosecute the workers for violating the health order since Elon Musk is making them choose between their health or their livelihoods. It's also unlikely the local county or state will prosecute Elon Musk since it's difficult to pinpoint the actual criminal violation he could be charged with. However, it's very likely that Musk will be sued in c…

> it's difficult to pinpoint the actual criminal violation he could be charged with. Doesn't seem to be. These businesses in LA county have been charged: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-03/coronavi... https://www.dailynews.com/2020/05/12/60-nonessential-l-a-bus... Alameda county could do the same.

The articles and their references don't quote any statute (the LADN has a list of defendants but no reference to criminal charges; the article specifies only that they are pursuing cutoff of utilities to those properties).

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

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Post by jpmoral »

natch wrote: post #28
m463 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what kind of lawsuit payoff employees would get if they went to work and caught coronavirus?

They can catch it at home just as easily, so it would be difficult to prove their claim. So I would think it would be a non-starter.

I agree it would be difficult to prove that they caught it at work, but saying they can catch it as easily at home just sounds like 'reopen' rhetoric to me.

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

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Post by clouddrover »

masonic wrote: post #43
clouddrover wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it's difficult to pinpoint the actual criminal violation he could be charged with. Doesn't seem to be. These businesses in LA county have been charged: https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-04-03/coronavi... https://www.dailynews.com/2020/05/12/60-nonessential-l-a-bus... Alameda county could do the same.

The articles and their references don't quote any statute (the LADN has a list of defendants but no reference to criminal charges; the article specifies only that they are pursuing cutoff of utilities to those properties).

> the article specifies only that they are pursuing cutoff of utilities to those properties

No, it doesn't. Here are some case numbers:

https://www.lacityattorney.org/post/feuer-charges-10-more-al...

Look up the criminal case summary using the case number:

http://www.lacourt.org/criminalcasesummary/ui/index.aspx

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

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Post by graycrow »

evgen wrote: post #42
graycrow wrote: post #33

Many other businesses of the same size are probably already doing or will do the same, but it is Tesla who is always disgraced in the media.

I guess that is what happens when you are led by a douchebag narcissist who can't shut his fucking mouth for even five minutes (c.f. the USA).

And I think he is a genius and even a good things have their price.

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

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Post by DrScump »

marvin wrote: post #31
Andaith wrote: post #3

I'm a foreigner so I don't fully understand this, but here's my take: 1) Tesla is restarting the factory against local rules saying they can't, because their competition is in different localities with their local rules saying they can, and Tesla is at a disadvantage. 2) It's basically illegal for the workers to go to work, but Tesla is still insisting they do this? 3) the local council has said they won't do enforce…

You've missed that Tesla was already negotiating to open up one week from now. This is a 7-day advancement of a plan that was already likely to happen with complete legal support. We could still debate the moral wisdom of resuming production with significant additional safety procedures. Tesla is communicating that they've managed to do this successfully and safely at a similar factory in Shanghai. There's really thr…

  The US debate on the quarantine measures is so polarized it's ridiculous.
That's aggravated by the inequities of application in many areas, often rooted in underlying politics.

To me, it's ridiculous to (true examples in my city) close the dog parks but allow the skateboard parks to operate... or allow hand to hand delivery of hard liquor while banning haircuts.

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

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Post by iso947 »

itsmeamario wrote: post #37
londons_explore wrote: post #2

Workers are saying "please don't offer our jobs back because then we won't get unemployment benefits".

Workers are saying "please don't make us back to work during a once-in-a-century pandemic because it's unsafe and we don't wanna die"

Why is it unsafe in alameda but not in Fremont?

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

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Post by DrScump »

JackPoach wrote: post #5

Elon is playing with fire. This is punk mentality - let's get as close to self destruction as possible. It's OK to make decisions for yourself but health of others?

It a no-lose situation for him. He can afford better lawyers than the county has. He can afford all levels of appeals.

And to his target market, he'll look heroic, and this becomes priceless advertising.

Re: Tesla workers’ unemployment may be suspended if they don't return, emails show

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Post by natch »

jpmoral wrote: post #44
natch wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can catch it at home just as easily, so it would be difficult to prove their claim. So I would think it would be a non-starter.

I agree it would be difficult to prove that they caught it at work, but saying they can catch it as easily at home just sounds like 'reopen' rhetoric to me.

I think it's best to look at individual facts and claims as they are, without reference to their attachment to some political side or movement. It frees your mind so you can more easily think for yourself.
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