I'm glad for all the logic users and students I have. If you want to get serious about making music I'd urge you to check out REAPER.
Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X
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Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X
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In my experience, musicians and other creative types care first and formost about getting results. So that means they need a toolchain that is flexible and rich enough to yield great results. Performance is a factor there, inasmuch as it constrains results. The toolchain part is pretty broad: this includes OS services (audio routing!), outboard hardware, DAWs and video editors, and third party plugins. When comparing…
I'd be curious to see what OS audio routing support you're talking about. Maybe I'm just done, but I've not seen anything with the capabilities of voicemeter for Windows or Pulse or JACK for Linux. Specifically I'd like to have application A and B play to speakers, and have an output I can record that has application A and my microphone, without sending application B to that output or my microphone to my speakers. At…
Maybe if you install software like Voicemeter on Windows it's tolerable, but the experience of doing simple audio stuff on Windows still frustrates me in 2020. It's way too common that I see some application that has exclusive use of a device which means that everything else is going to be silent. JACK is great by itself, but it's one good piece of software in the giant mess that is Linux audio.
On the Mac, you want something like Logic to run, you just go into the Logic preferences, set the output device and the buffer size. You get the low latency you want and other apps are free to use the same device as well. It's the only platform where I consistently get both "all the apps just work without messing with it" and "the pro apps have low latency".
If you want desktop audio recording you can install iShowU or one of the others.
Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X
#123Earlier quoted context omitted.
For decades creatives and even non-creatives were able to be convinced that "Macs were better for audio, video, photography" without any analysis of benchmarks, hardware differences, performance. This thought pattern transcended the PowerPC processor, to the off-the-shelf Intel processors that the competitors used, to the ARM processors the mobile devices used. Apple continuing that perception with at least software…
Have you ever actually compared audio capabilities of Windows with macOS? (Or Android with iOS?) There's more to a computer than the clock speed of its processor.
You have the stage, why won't you expand on your point a little.
Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X
#124I own Apple Logic and thus I'm grateful for the continuous updates. On the other hand, I'm mystified why Apple continues its investment in this audio program. Yes, when Steve Jobs bought Logic from Emagic in 2002, it made strategic sense to fortify Apple's "software portfolio" to make Mac hardware more attractive. But that was before the surprising massive success of iPhones in 2007. Now, it seems like sales of Logic…
To be more specific, and in response to your reply: Together with Final Cut Pro, Apple wants to have Mac-only exclusive software that is aimed specifically at cool creative professionals to build up the image that trendy creatives use Macs (and you therefore have no choice but to use a Mac, otherwise you won't have the software you need). Aperture couldn't really compete with Adobe's whole workflow (since Apple didn'…
As a counterpoint: Capture One is not a direct Photoshop competitor, yet it became very popular among photographers.
Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X
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> That's plausible but AVID Pro Tools is even more prestigious than Logic and AVID's market cap is only $250 million[0]. In no universe is Pro Tools more prestigious than any of its competition. I think Pro Tools is viewed as The Thing That All Studio PHB Managers Purchased At Some Point So It's Reasonable For Studio Techs to Be Trained For. Kind of the "nobody ever got fired for picking IBM" of the music industry. I…
Pro Tools is seen as the serious tool while the other DAWs you mention are toys for electronic music producers
They're different product categories entirely these days. The other DAWs aren't "toys" and in fact do a lot of things significantly better than Pro Tools.
Pro Tools as a product only makes sense at scale, with multiple people in the workflow in different locations. Same story for Media Composer compared to other NLEs.
Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X
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Music Tech teacher here... when it was discontinued, I was working (part time) in a couple of schools who used Logic on PCs, as well as working for a few people who used it in their own studios. In the case of one of the schools and a number of the clients, I was the one who broke the news to them - generally greeted by disbelief initially, and then once they had checked up on it, absolute fury. If the intention was…
Tough (sincerely), and congrats on finding a gig that rewards you daily with passion and enthusiasm. But at the same time, I have little sympathy for people who hate Apple for a move like this - regardless of the optics and whether it was intentional. No one has to use a Mac, but frankly, there’s a reason why the creative crowd does. And, it’s beyond just brand image. They have a clear and complete vision for their s…
Apple does not have a clear and complete vision for their software. They consistently break things with OS and hardware updates. Many of the developers for audio applications are extremely small teams and cannot turn around updates at the drop of a dime when Apple decides to give them little notice that they're once again breaking shit. There is no "golden path" for pro audio on a Mac and that's evident in their desktop offerings over the past decade.
Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X
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My guess is that Apple knows a lot of people need to keep on buying macs to use Logic and Final Cut. Look at the price of Logic compared to other DAWs. Apple is almost giving it away for free. It only costs $200 but in contrast comparable DAWs cost many times that. Ableton Live Suite costs $750. Nuendo costs $1000. Etc. AFAIK Aperture never had such a hardcore following and didn't offer such a unique product. The pho…
> AFAIK Aperture never had such a hardcore following and didn't offer such a unique product. The photography market is clearly dominated by Adobe anyway. At the time, sure - but none of my friends and contacts who do part-time and professional photography have anything good to say about Adobe Lightroom - the move to Lightroom CC left a bad taste in everyone's mouth, as have the many Cloud-related SNAFUs (apparently a…
> Apple would be on to a sure-winner by re-launching Aperture
In my limited experience, products whose main differentiating factor is being "not the other guy" usually generate a ton of hype, but end up flopping.
Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X
#128Even at triple the price Logic would be a compelling product. Feature by feature it's an incredible piece of software, coming with a series of great instruments, effect and tons of loops. Feature-wise it covers more or less everything you'd need. However after trying Ableton for a few weeks (they offer a 90 day trial + 30% discount) I recently switched from Logic and I find the Ableton interface and UX in general muc…
I switched from Logic to Ableton recently and now I love Ableton's workflow. I just downloaded the Logic update, and while there are new things, it feels like the same old Logic that I just couldn't get into. I'll be sticking with Ableton.
Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X
#129I own Apple Logic and thus I'm grateful for the continuous updates. On the other hand, I'm mystified why Apple continues its investment in this audio program. Yes, when Steve Jobs bought Logic from Emagic in 2002, it made strategic sense to fortify Apple's "software portfolio" to make Mac hardware more attractive. But that was before the surprising massive success of iPhones in 2007. Now, it seems like sales of Logic…
Taking a step back from objective pros and cons or other traits of individual DAWs, the fact that so _many_ producers and YouTube stars use Logic suggests its' value. This more from a populism standpoint, but there is assurance that a great crowd of users could help a single user when an issue arises.
This is like the metrics SW engineers keep tabs on for language popularity. More questions in Stack Overflow and number of lines registered in GitHub suggest a language's value separate from, but suggestive of, objective traits.
Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X
#130Relative to the competition, Logic is an incredible value. I am an Ableton Live user, but Logic, an arguably superior product, is available for a fraction of the cost of Live Studio. I have my fingers crossed that Ableton can catch up on some of Logic's features (flex pitch comes to mind).
Agreed, but Logic's heavily subsidized by Apple. There's no way a DAW could cost so little, especially considering the plugins and instruments it comes with out of the box. Still the UX is cluttered and the shortcuts obscure, I find Ableton much cleaner.
I wonder what the competition think about this.
It can't be easy for abelton and Steinway to compete with the richest company in the world.