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NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by frockington1 »

raz32dust wrote: post #140
School-Cotton wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I live in NYC too and will be back in restaurants and bars the day they open. I’m not really worried about covid, but even if I were, I think I’ll almost certainly get it eventually regardless of whether I go out or not, so there’s no point trying to avoid it. So, now you know of at least one person. By the way: “how much health risk are we willing to accept to avoid a given amount of economic damage” is one of…

It is not so simple. Some examples: If there is no lockdown, companies are not forced to have employees WFH. So while you may be OK with getting the virus, I might not be, but I am no longer free to not go out since I might lose my job over that. Sure, you could say that it is my choice to give up a job that requires me to work. Then it's a question of values and politics, and in my value system, that is unfair to me…

Yes. I am against the government forcibly removing people from their jobs and doing nothing to get them the unemployment they have been paying into. This fiasco has made me even more resolute in never trusting the government (local, state, and federal) to do anything remotely efficient

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by frockington1 »

greglindahl wrote: post #119
School-Cotton wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I live in NYC too and will be back in restaurants and bars the day they open. I’m not really worried about covid, but even if I were, I think I’ll almost certainly get it eventually regardless of whether I go out or not, so there’s no point trying to avoid it. So, now you know of at least one person. By the way: “how much health risk are we willing to accept to avoid a given amount of economic damage” is one of…

A guy walked onto an elevator with me yesterday. Freedom!!! He wasn't just making a choice for himself, he was making a choice for me.

Then get out of the elevator and take the the stairs

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by frockington1 »

aero142 wrote: post #84

It starting to bother me that the US lockdown does not appear to have a clear goal. In some countries, it is clear that the goal is to eliminate the virus from the country. Contact tracing is key as well as regional lockdowns. In the US, I don't see much evidence we are heading towards a sustainable elimination of the virus. In the well discussed Sweden example, the goal is a managed herd immunity strategy. I am curi…

Where I live, Ohio, it was initially 2. But then the hospitalizations never arrived so we kept the lock down going with no clear plan. When the state had to make budget cuts the lock down exit plans magically appeared the next day

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by xienze »

Closi wrote: post #143
xienze wrote: post #99

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> can snap it's fingers and compel some private companies that are well positioned to be able to manufacture tests to do so at a higher priority than other business concerns And we’ve done that with things like masks and ventilators. But there is a key limiting factor with the tests, the reagant supply. Again, can’t just snap our fingers and make it happen faster. This isn’t AWS, we can’t just spin up more supply in…

America does have just as good of an ability to secure reagent supplies as any other countries though, excluding the ones that produce it domestically. The exception time this is that different testing machines require different reagents. It’s not like every country is getting a ration of the same number of units - so it shouldn’t be harder for large countries. Again this is likely an issue for smaller countries as t…

> It’s not like every country is getting a ration of the same number of units - so it shouldn’t be harder for large countries.

It is though. Again, if a country with 300M people wants to test as many people per capita as a country of 30M, it needs _ten times as many tests_.

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by xienze »

kshacker wrote: post #106
xienze wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> can snap it's fingers and compel some private companies that are well positioned to be able to manufacture tests to do so at a higher priority than other business concerns And we’ve done that with things like masks and ventilators. But there is a key limiting factor with the tests, the reagant supply. Again, can’t just snap our fingers and make it happen faster. This isn’t AWS, we can’t just spin up more supply in…

How long does it take to double the reagent supply? Is there a number? Is it something we have started or not even that?

> Is it something we have started or not even that?

I would assume so. Are you under the impression that the US simply doesn’t want to test as many people as possible?

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Post by xienze »

qotgalaxy wrote: post #132
xienze wrote: post #83

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The problem with talking about per capita testing numbers is that having a bigger population means you need a proportionally larger number of tests to administer to reach the same numbers as smaller countries. The will to test and the money to do so aren’t any issue. The problem is that we can’t just snap our fingers and make tens of millions of tests appear out of thin air. I think this point gets lost on a lot of p…

But none of that matters. You have x number of people, you need y number of tests. Just because it's harder to do doesn't mean you need to do it any less.

> But none of that matters.

Yes it does, it’s proportionally more difficult. If you want a country of 300M to have as many tests per capita as a country of 30M, you need _ten times as many tests_.

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Post by 7leafer »

I'll tell you what. All of you who ain't questioning the whole corona event and have been zealously obeying the orders - you are just so terrified to by the powers that be, so afraid to look like a black sheep or to be marked as disloyal, so afraid of losing your status quo, so hooked on credits and mortgages that you will readily vane into whatever stinky fart that happens to blow into your masked faces! All of you are personally responsible for this triumph of lies and psychological terror, and for the fascist world of distancing and slavery that your children will inherit - especially you, lunatic flaggers in the service of censorship. Wake up until it's too late!

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by betterworldb »

7leafer wrote: post #157

I'll tell you what. All of you who ain't questioning the whole corona event and have been zealously obeying the orders - you are just so terrified to by the powers that be, so afraid to look like a black sheep or to be marked as disloyal, so afraid of losing your status quo, so hooked on credits and mortgages that you will readily vane into whatever stinky fart that happens to blow into your masked faces! All of you…

What are you talking about?

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Post by ceejayoz »

xienze wrote: post #154
Closi wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America does have just as good of an ability to secure reagent supplies as any other countries though, excluding the ones that produce it domestically. The exception time this is that different testing machines require different reagents. It’s not like every country is getting a ration of the same number of units - so it shouldn’t be harder for large countries. Again this is likely an issue for smaller countries as t…

> It’s not like every country is getting a ration of the same number of units - so it shouldn’t be harder for large countries. It is though. Again, if a country with 300M people wants to test as many people per capita as a country of 30M, it needs _ten times as many tests_.

Sure, but it likely has ten times the infrastructure to manufacture and deliver them.

The US is, in many ways, a bunch of ~30M person countries, akin to the European Union. Freedom of movement, no customs between them, powerful state-level governments, etc.

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Post by ceejayoz »

xienze wrote: post #155
kshacker wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How long does it take to double the reagent supply? Is there a number? Is it something we have started or not even that?

> Is it something we have started or not even that? I would assume so. Are you under the impression that the US simply doesn’t want to test as many people as possible?

> Are you under the impression that the US simply doesn’t want to test as many people as possible?

Absolutely.

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-says-too-much-coronavi...

> "So, in a way, by doing all of this testing, we make ourselves look bad."

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trump-on-allowing-grand-pr...

> "They would like to have the people come off. I’d rather have the people stay [on the ship]. But I’d go with them. I told them to make the final decision. I would rather — because I like the numbers being where they are. I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault."

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