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Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by josephorjoe »

School-Cotton wrote: post #107
josephorjoe wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s politics when you are deciding what groups of people should do. When you make personal decisions it is about biology. I know many people feel like you do. And it may be inevitable that most of us get exposed. But I’m inclined to postpone my exposure for as long as possible, preferably not until the disease is better understood and there are better treatments available. I do appreciate that I’m lucky enough to ha…

> It’s politics when you are deciding what groups of people should do. Yes, which is what the protests are about: whether large groups of people should be allowed to do certain things. Nobody is protesting against your right to stay inside if you want to. > I’m just not going to be rushing into them after what we’ve witnessed in this city the last ten weeks. That’s fine. But you claimed you couldn’t imagine anyone be…

> That’s fine. But you claimed you couldn’t imagine anyone behaving differently, when (clearly IMO) quite a lot of people will.

That's a fair criticism.

I should have said "anyone I know" as that was where my thoughts were.

Most of the people I know are over 40 with kids, so that group tends to be a bit more cautious than some. Although I was surprised by how many (over 50%) of my <35 year old co-workers just got out of the city by mid-march.

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by marcinzm »

josephorjoe wrote: post #59
shmatt wrote: post #43

i think what many people don't understand are how many other layers will block re-opening once the gov. gives a green light. plenty of businesses are closed in states where the Governor has given a green light to re-open. It can be plain common sense by the business owner, city laws, office buildings enforcing impossible rules such as 1 person per elevator, liability from lawsuits and the insurance fees that come fro…

What percentage of people don't understand that (serious question)? I'm in nyc so my perspective is likely a little skewed, but I can't see anyone who can avoid doing so rushing back into restaurants, subways, or really any avoidable indoor or crowded activity. :( But, yeah, I see the protesters desperately wanting to reopen everything in the midwest, so I guess a lot of people must think the problem is politics not…

>I'm in nyc so my perspective is likely a little skewed, but I can't see anyone who can avoid doing so rushing back into restaurants, subways, or really any avoidable indoor or crowded activity. :(

I've heard multiple people in their 30s in NYC say they'd prefer to just get infected now so it's over with since it's inevitable. I also doubt the people packing every park a couple weeks back when the weather got nice would care too much. If anything after being cramped in small apartments people in NYC will be more likely to go out than in the mid west where they have space at home.

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by redis_mlc »

codemati wrote: post #2

Very informative and transparent. This should be the standard everywhere. I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) something similar does not exist for the Bay Area.

Newsom wants to run for President, so expect a timid response from him on re-opening the Calif. economy.

Ironically, the Bay Area has close ties to China, so we're probably the closest to herd immunity of any US location.

You can look at the local hospital dashboard and see there's no Bay Area corona crisis - the numbers have been the same for 2 months now:

https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/dashboard.aspx

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Post by ceejayoz »

nradov wrote: post #108
munk-a wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That said - it's still a bit amusing that at this point there might need to be some sort of second federal government to make up for the fact that the first one keeps fumbling everything. If only we had a deep state - then maybe we'd get the things that need doing done.

The Western States Pact is in some sense a second parallel federal government. https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/04/27/colorado-nevada-join-calif... Of course state governments have previously formed multilateral agreements on other topics such as water rights.

It's been fascinating to watch several of these pop up, especially the big three (Western, Midwest, and Northeast).

https://twitter.com/johnrobb/status/1253455955666382848

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by Marsymars »

makomk wrote: post #60
klenwell wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither site is clear where the testing capacity goal comes from. For NY, it is 30 per 1k (3%). For Bay Area, it is 200 per 100k (.2%). If my math is right, that's a significant discrepancy. Actually, I see NY's goal is monthly. So I guess that is more like 30 per 1k per 30 days (.1%). There some discussion of necessary testing rates in this NY magazine article: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/white-house-pla…

As far as I know, it's still the case that no reasonably-large country is doing much more coronavirus testing than the US right now. The UK is probably just about over the 30 tests per 1k per 30 days mark averaged over a week as of our last testing increase, Germany might still be slightly below it but I haven't seen recent figures from them and they seemed to have stalled out increasing testing, and other countries…

FWIW my province of 4.4 million is stalled on tests being run because it's run out of additional symptomatic people to test at around 30 tests per 1k per 30 days, even though testing capacity is about double that, and still increasing.

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Post by joe_the_user »

shoo wrote: post #53
shmatt wrote: post #43

i think what many people don't understand are how many other layers will block re-opening once the gov. gives a green light. plenty of businesses are closed in states where the Governor has given a green light to re-open. It can be plain common sense by the business owner, city laws, office buildings enforcing impossible rules such as 1 person per elevator, liability from lawsuits and the insurance fees that come fro…

> i think what many people don't understand are how many other layers will block re-opening once the gov Separately from regulation, there's also the question of how comfortable people are at returning to their old virus-care-free routines. One anecdote reported from a visit to Wuhan is that after restrictions were lifted and people were permitted to more freely move around outside, there weren't many people who were…

Yeah,

Even more, I don't think the people who talk about reopening no matter the cost in deaths realize that they're undermining any effort to get people to feel safe in an opened economy, which will impact people spending money in that economy.

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Post by greglindahl »

verelo wrote: post #71
codemati wrote: post #2

Very informative and transparent. This should be the standard everywhere. I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) something similar does not exist for the Bay Area.

If only there was a team, a national team...tasked with coordinating this effort.

Like some kind of team tasked with disease control? Or emergencies.

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Post by numpad0 »

nostromo wrote: post #104
romwell wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>While we're not hit as bad We are not hit as bad because of the actions of the government who has issued the shelter-in-place before NY did, when we had 1/10th the rate of infection. I don't agree with everything the government does, but let's give credit where credit is due. That we were not hit as bad is not coincidental. That give, I'm perfectly willing to cut them some slack.

> That we were not hit as bad is not coincidental Well, you don't know that. There are states and countries that have not gone to "shelter-in-place" extremes and have been outperforming California. New York is special in America. It's very dense, and every time you get on a subway train, which most of the city does every working day, you're sharing a cramped space with hundreds of random individuals. It's not hard to…

One upside of living near Tokyo is that I can say “I’ve seen denser than that” in arbitrary contexts

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Post by greglindahl »

School-Cotton wrote: post #103
josephorjoe wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What percentage of people don't understand that (serious question)? I'm in nyc so my perspective is likely a little skewed, but I can't see anyone who can avoid doing so rushing back into restaurants, subways, or really any avoidable indoor or crowded activity. :( But, yeah, I see the protesters desperately wanting to reopen everything in the midwest, so I guess a lot of people must think the problem is politics not…

Well, I live in NYC too and will be back in restaurants and bars the day they open. I’m not really worried about covid, but even if I were, I think I’ll almost certainly get it eventually regardless of whether I go out or not, so there’s no point trying to avoid it. So, now you know of at least one person. By the way: “how much health risk are we willing to accept to avoid a given amount of economic damage” is one of…

A guy walked onto an elevator with me yesterday. Freedom!!!

He wasn't just making a choice for himself, he was making a choice for me.

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Post by stronglikedan »

greglindahl wrote: post #119
School-Cotton wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I live in NYC too and will be back in restaurants and bars the day they open. I’m not really worried about covid, but even if I were, I think I’ll almost certainly get it eventually regardless of whether I go out or not, so there’s no point trying to avoid it. So, now you know of at least one person. By the way: “how much health risk are we willing to accept to avoid a given amount of economic damage” is one of…

A guy walked onto an elevator with me yesterday. Freedom!!! He wasn't just making a choice for himself, he was making a choice for me.

You also had the choice to get off the elevator when he got on.
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