What we really need is a graph over time of each metric by area. Wish this was easily available by API.
NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria
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Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria
#102Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not disagreeing, but don't forget how fast this thing can grow. It was doubling ... every 2 or 3 days? Smaller infected population buys you weeks of time, but that's all.
Exactly. And that's why it's important to remember that CA governor has issued as shelter-in-place order ahead of NY, while we had a 1/10X infection rate, which more than halved the slope of growth on the log scale.
Sure. I think everybody remembers. I imagine the actions by CA's governor not only saved a lot of lives in CA, but probably helped NY get its rear in gear.
But I'm saying something different: A full reopen without proper precautions would put CA right where NY was, in a surprisingly short time.
Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria
#103i think what many people don't understand are how many other layers will block re-opening once the gov. gives a green light. plenty of businesses are closed in states where the Governor has given a green light to re-open. It can be plain common sense by the business owner, city laws, office buildings enforcing impossible rules such as 1 person per elevator, liability from lawsuits and the insurance fees that come fro…
What percentage of people don't understand that (serious question)? I'm in nyc so my perspective is likely a little skewed, but I can't see anyone who can avoid doing so rushing back into restaurants, subways, or really any avoidable indoor or crowded activity. :( But, yeah, I see the protesters desperately wanting to reopen everything in the midwest, so I guess a lot of people must think the problem is politics not…
Well, I live in NYC too and will be back in restaurants and bars the day they open. I’m not really worried about covid, but even if I were, I think I’ll almost certainly get it eventually regardless of whether I go out or not, so there’s no point trying to avoid it.
So, now you know of at least one person.
By the way: “how much health risk are we willing to accept to avoid a given amount of economic damage” is one of the most clearly political questions I can imagine. The effects of the virus have to do with biology; weighing multiple different tradeoffs is politics.
Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria
#104Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that's not the point though. While we're not hit as bad, we should have a reopening dashboard instead of a silly slideshow[1] with some rhetorical questions [1]: https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/California...
>While we're not hit as bad We are not hit as bad because of the actions of the government who has issued the shelter-in-place before NY did, when we had 1/10th the rate of infection. I don't agree with everything the government does, but let's give credit where credit is due. That we were not hit as bad is not coincidental. That give, I'm perfectly willing to cut them some slack.
> That we were not hit as bad is not coincidental
Well, you don't know that. There are states and countries that have not gone to "shelter-in-place" extremes and have been outperforming California.
New York is special in America. It's very dense, and every time you get on a subway train, which most of the city does every working day, you're sharing a cramped space with hundreds of random individuals. It's not hard to see why they've been hit harder than anywhere in the US.
To pretend the only possible difference is a binary distinction between lockdown or not is reductionist ad absurdum.
Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria
#105Earlier quoted context omitted.
What percentage of people don't understand that (serious question)? I'm in nyc so my perspective is likely a little skewed, but I can't see anyone who can avoid doing so rushing back into restaurants, subways, or really any avoidable indoor or crowded activity. :( But, yeah, I see the protesters desperately wanting to reopen everything in the midwest, so I guess a lot of people must think the problem is politics not…
Well, I live in NYC too and will be back in restaurants and bars the day they open. I’m not really worried about covid, but even if I were, I think I’ll almost certainly get it eventually regardless of whether I go out or not, so there’s no point trying to avoid it. So, now you know of at least one person. By the way: “how much health risk are we willing to accept to avoid a given amount of economic damage” is one of…
It’s politics when you are deciding what groups of people should do. When you make personal decisions it is about biology.
I know many people feel like you do. And it may be inevitable that most of us get exposed.
But I’m inclined to postpone my exposure for as long as possible, preferably not until the disease is better understood and there are better treatments available.
I do appreciate that I’m lucky enough to have the financial flexibility to make that decision and not everyone has that luxury.
I miss the restaurants and bars and museums and even the subways too. I’m just not going to be rushing into them after what we’ve witnessed in this city the last ten weeks.
Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria
#106Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The problem is that we can’t just snap our fingers and make tens of millions of tests appear out of thin air. You are correct - but we (or rather the government) can snap it's fingers and compel some private companies that are well positioned to be able to manufacture tests to do so at a higher priority than other business concerns - or we (again the government) can issue generous contracts for testing supplies tha…
> can snap it's fingers and compel some private companies that are well positioned to be able to manufacture tests to do so at a higher priority than other business concerns And we’ve done that with things like masks and ventilators. But there is a key limiting factor with the tests, the reagant supply. Again, can’t just snap our fingers and make it happen faster. This isn’t AWS, we can’t just spin up more supply in…
How long does it take to double the reagent supply? Is there a number? Is it something we have started or not even that?
Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria
#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, I live in NYC too and will be back in restaurants and bars the day they open. I’m not really worried about covid, but even if I were, I think I’ll almost certainly get it eventually regardless of whether I go out or not, so there’s no point trying to avoid it. So, now you know of at least one person. By the way: “how much health risk are we willing to accept to avoid a given amount of economic damage” is one of…
It’s politics when you are deciding what groups of people should do. When you make personal decisions it is about biology. I know many people feel like you do. And it may be inevitable that most of us get exposed. But I’m inclined to postpone my exposure for as long as possible, preferably not until the disease is better understood and there are better treatments available. I do appreciate that I’m lucky enough to ha…
> It’s politics when you are deciding what groups of people should do.
Yes, which is what the protests are about: whether large groups of people should be allowed to do certain things.
Nobody is protesting against your right to stay inside if you want to.
> I’m just not going to be rushing into them after what we’ve witnessed in this city the last ten weeks.
That’s fine. But you claimed you couldn’t imagine anyone behaving differently, when (clearly IMO) quite a lot of people will.
Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria
#108Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the snarky point was that the Feds (in theory) exist to provide that sort of coordination.
That said - it's still a bit amusing that at this point there might need to be some sort of second federal government to make up for the fact that the first one keeps fumbling everything. If only we had a deep state - then maybe we'd get the things that need doing done.
The Western States Pact is in some sense a second parallel federal government.
https://www.gov.ca.gov/2020/04/27/colorado-nevada-join-calif...
Of course state governments have previously formed multilateral agreements on other topics such as water rights.
Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria
#109Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it was doubling so fast it was hard to keep count of the cases and the hospital system came close to breaking under the stress? In the majority of the country hospitals did not come any where close to breaking. Please don't spread fake news.
I'm referring to New York, not the rest of the country. I'm not talking about the majority of the country. The comment I'm replying to is apparently [flagged] [dead], so maybe it's not visible? For context, my comment is responding to a comment that is regarding the projections for NY and "Furher Cuomo's" response to it. My reply is discussing what was happening in new york. certainly the response we had here would n…
The problem is that exponential growth looks flat until it looks vertical.
People either get this or they don't or they choose not to.
New York was going vertical. The rest of the country went "Oh, hell, no" and locked down to prevent that from even starting.
But, it's okay. We're running a nice set of experiments right now with the experimental group (red states reopening) vs control group (blue states staying locked down until criteria are met). We'll get lots of nice data in about 3 weeks.
Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria
#110Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, I live in NYC too and will be back in restaurants and bars the day they open. I’m not really worried about covid, but even if I were, I think I’ll almost certainly get it eventually regardless of whether I go out or not, so there’s no point trying to avoid it. So, now you know of at least one person. By the way: “how much health risk are we willing to accept to avoid a given amount of economic damage” is one of…
It’s politics when you are deciding what groups of people should do. When you make personal decisions it is about biology. I know many people feel like you do. And it may be inevitable that most of us get exposed. But I’m inclined to postpone my exposure for as long as possible, preferably not until the disease is better understood and there are better treatments available. I do appreciate that I’m lucky enough to ha…
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