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Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by cavisne »

jeron wrote: post #79
romwell wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) something similar does not exist for the Bay Area. Keep in mind that the total number of COVID deaths in CA is less than than the number of deaths in NY on a single bad week . While a dashboard like this would be good, I think that an order of magnitude difference warrants perhaps being less disappointed.

I think that's not the point though. While we're not hit as bad, we should have a reopening dashboard instead of a silly slideshow[1] with some rhetorical questions [1]: https://www.gov.ca.gov/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/California...

While I somewhat agree (WA also has a silly slideshow alleging to be a dashboard with no goals on it) NY has completely failed it’s residents, while the Western Pact states have not.

I suspect the reality is these goals are nonsense and just provide a false sense of security.

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by qotgalaxy »

xienze wrote: post #83
ceejayoz wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“The United States currently ranks 32nd in Covid-19 tests per capita, one spot ahead of Belarus.” https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1259942315508064257

The problem with talking about per capita testing numbers is that having a bigger population means you need a proportionally larger number of tests to administer to reach the same numbers as smaller countries. The will to test and the money to do so aren’t any issue. The problem is that we can’t just snap our fingers and make tens of millions of tests appear out of thin air. I think this point gets lost on a lot of p…

But none of that matters. You have x number of people, you need y number of tests. Just because it's harder to do doesn't mean you need to do it any less.

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by qotgalaxy »

lonelappde wrote: post #88
ceejayoz wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the snarky point was that the Feds (in theory) exist to provide that sort of coordination.

That's not what the Federal Government is for, though, even in theory. The Federal government handles foreign affairs and interstate disputes.

Yes, it's more of an intrastate disagreement with this particular infectious disease.

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by elhudy »

verelo wrote: post #71
codemati wrote: post #2

Very informative and transparent. This should be the standard everywhere. I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) something similar does not exist for the Bay Area.

If only there was a team, a national team...tasked with coordinating this effort.

Like a health force? It's like space force but for health.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna11...

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by zwily »

redis_mlc wrote: post #113
codemati wrote: post #2

Very informative and transparent. This should be the standard everywhere. I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) something similar does not exist for the Bay Area.

Newsom wants to run for President, so expect a timid response from him on re-opening the Calif. economy. Ironically, the Bay Area has close ties to China, so we're probably the closest to herd immunity of any US location. You can look at the local hospital dashboard and see there's no Bay Area corona crisis - the numbers have been the same for 2 months now: https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/dashboard.aspx

You think Bay Area is closer to herd immunity than NYC?

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by shadowprofile77 »

verelo wrote: post #71
codemati wrote: post #2

Very informative and transparent. This should be the standard everywhere. I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) something similar does not exist for the Bay Area.

If only there was a team, a national team...tasked with coordinating this effort.

Now that would be a good idea no? Some sort of, I don't know, decently funded.... center maybe? Set up for disease control.

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by esoterica »

redis_mlc wrote: post #113
codemati wrote: post #2

Very informative and transparent. This should be the standard everywhere. I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) something similar does not exist for the Bay Area.

Newsom wants to run for President, so expect a timid response from him on re-opening the Calif. economy. Ironically, the Bay Area has close ties to China, so we're probably the closest to herd immunity of any US location. You can look at the local hospital dashboard and see there's no Bay Area corona crisis - the numbers have been the same for 2 months now: https://www.sccgov.org/sites/covid19/Pages/dashboard.aspx

That's not how herd immunity works. If the bay area was close to herd immunity, you would see >NYC level death numbers from there.

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by raz32dust »

nostromo wrote: post #104
romwell wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>While we're not hit as bad We are not hit as bad because of the actions of the government who has issued the shelter-in-place before NY did, when we had 1/10th the rate of infection. I don't agree with everything the government does, but let's give credit where credit is due. That we were not hit as bad is not coincidental. That give, I'm perfectly willing to cut them some slack.

> That we were not hit as bad is not coincidental Well, you don't know that. There are states and countries that have not gone to "shelter-in-place" extremes and have been outperforming California. New York is special in America. It's very dense, and every time you get on a subway train, which most of the city does every working day, you're sharing a cramped space with hundreds of random individuals. It's not hard to…

Parent comment is nowhere claiming that it is the only reason. Given that there wasn't enough testing capacity, contact tracing capacity or hospital capacity, what would you have differently? And on what basis?

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by raz32dust »

codemati wrote: post #2

Very informative and transparent. This should be the standard everywhere. I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) something similar does not exist for the Bay Area.

Agreed. Especially with the Musk stunt, too many people in the bay area and CA are questioning the continued SIP, and it would be good for the government to come out really transparent in how they are making the decision.

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Post by raz32dust »

School-Cotton wrote: post #103
josephorjoe wrote: post #59

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What percentage of people don't understand that (serious question)? I'm in nyc so my perspective is likely a little skewed, but I can't see anyone who can avoid doing so rushing back into restaurants, subways, or really any avoidable indoor or crowded activity. :( But, yeah, I see the protesters desperately wanting to reopen everything in the midwest, so I guess a lot of people must think the problem is politics not…

Well, I live in NYC too and will be back in restaurants and bars the day they open. I’m not really worried about covid, but even if I were, I think I’ll almost certainly get it eventually regardless of whether I go out or not, so there’s no point trying to avoid it. So, now you know of at least one person. By the way: “how much health risk are we willing to accept to avoid a given amount of economic damage” is one of…

It is not so simple. Some examples: If there is no lockdown, companies are not forced to have employees WFH. So while you may be OK with getting the virus, I might not be, but I am no longer free to not go out since I might lose my job over that. Sure, you could say that it is my choice to give up a job that requires me to work. Then it's a question of values and politics, and in my value system, that is unfair to me and not a good decision.

Second, let's say that the lockdown is lifted and hospitals are running out of capacity. Doctors and nurses are having to leave people to die because there are no beds or ICUs. Let's say the people dying are all above 50 yrs of age, but there is clear evidence that without lockdown, 2000 people die everyday and with lockdown, 200 people die everyday. Is your freedom worth sacrificing 1800 people every day?

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