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Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by clouddrover »

dang wrote: post #44

Three threads on this already: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23126517 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23127552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23129216 Not sure this one is going any better. Celebrity frenzy multiplied by pandemic rage is producing as wild a burn as we've seen on HN. If you're about to comment here, could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html first and ma…

It would be better to link to more balanced articles which discuss both sides of the argument. Such as this one:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/09/business/coronavirus-elon...

As opposed to linking to single sided tweets and blog posts from Tesla and Musk.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by tsimionescu »

dcanelhas wrote: post #115
concordDance wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not all epidemologists are in agreement. Sweden's has basically said the costs of shutting down until a vaccine is found (or until the numbers are low enough you can test-and-track and impose quaruntine or testing on all visitors to the country) are worse than just letting it run its course. Bare in mind that all government decisions are heavily biased by the optics of that decision, as seen by the average voter when…

Sweden has a rather different welfare system, typical population density, income distribution, typical household demographic, urban planning and culture regarding social interactions, compared to many places that would use it as an example for what to do in this crisis. I think following the available evidence, interpreted by experts is the way to go. Ultimately the argument for Sweden's policy seems to be less based…

Sweden's strategy is also unique in the world and failing badly at protecting some of their most vulnerable citizens. It's also based on unproven ideas, like immunity from Covid19 after you get it once.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by rasengan »

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #132
firasd wrote: post #17

I’d like to know what Tesla factory workers think. It’s seeming clear to me from various polls that at most 20% of Americans think ‘oh everything is fine let’s go back to work and school tomorrow.’ So opinions on social distancing are not as polarized as you would think from the media.

As always, the devil is in the details. I'd imagine a heavily automated car factory is actually one of the safer places to work, compared to (say) a hog slaughterhouse or a massage parlor. In a sane world, we'd let workers choose between going to work and staying home without undue penalties either way, but that's not going to happen in 'Murica.

The problem is that coronavirus lives for days [1] on various surfaces. Is Elon Musk going to be on the factory floor everyday too?

Additionally, social distancing doesn’t work [2] and is a suggestion being made by non medical professionals to non medical students.

[1] https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/study-s...

[2] https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200414/cdc-covid-19-can-sp...

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by cassalian »

ehnto wrote: post #139
cassalian wrote: post #119

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> The motive behind his dangerous tweets and tantrums is pretty clear for everyone to see. Does his motive necessarily matter? Or more specifically, is his motive reason enough to essentially spite him? If Elon wanted to cure all disease in every single on of his workers (because that would mean they would never take sick days, and thus produce more) does that mean you would oppose the curing of disease in Elon's wor…

You've gone on a veritable expedition to make this argument, and somewhat wrapped two ideas into one. Someone's motivation is enough to lose respect for them, especially if it's under the guise of something else. It's conniving to deceive in order to get your way. So lets say we consider the action a net good, we can totally support the action, recognize the bad sides, and still lose respect for the person for the wa…

Did I say that you could not lose respect for that person? I simply pointed out that because a single person's motivations are selfish does not mean we should work to spite that person.

If I have made the argument that we must respect Elon (or someone who's motivations are selfish) that was not my intention and I will need to reflect on how I present my ideas in the future.

> So lets say we consider the action a net good, we can totally support the action, recognize the bad sides, and still lose respect for the person for the way they have conducted themselves.

It seems to me like we agree!

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by kiba »

tenpies wrote: post #130
nikkwong wrote: post #39

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Yeah, watching his attitude regarding the entire COVID situation on his recent appearance of the Joe Rogan show really ended the lifelong bout of respect I had for the man. He's paradoxically so brilliant yet so misinformed. His idea that we should all just exit quarantine tomorrow because it's unconstitutional is not only dangerous but also now seems to come from a place of selfishness after this statement. Economis…

> He's paradoxically so brilliant yet so misinformed. He's not very brilliant though. He may be good at his niche (although I'm not sure what that is judging by the quality of Tesla vehicles), but if you are a subject matter expert in a field that he pretends to know, it becomes very obvious that his knowledge is extremely surface-level and the equivalent of "I read Wikipedia on the plane". Actually I think his brill…

although I'm not sure what that is judging by the quality of Tesla vehicles

The quality of Tesla's cars are fine, much better than before. Unless what you are talking about is from 3-2 years ago? If so, you're out of date.

Actually I think his brilliance is in convincing the eager Silicon Valley masses that he's brilliant and that they should invest in his companies - regardless of how poorly they continue to do.

Poorly continue to do by what metric? As far as I know as an interested follower, Tesla and SpaceX are doing fine.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by kiba »

Dumblydorr wrote: post #135
tenpies wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> He's paradoxically so brilliant yet so misinformed. He's not very brilliant though. He may be good at his niche (although I'm not sure what that is judging by the quality of Tesla vehicles), but if you are a subject matter expert in a field that he pretends to know, it becomes very obvious that his knowledge is extremely surface-level and the equivalent of "I read Wikipedia on the plane". Actually I think his brill…

I don't understand your dig on Tesla EVs. Do you not agree they are the best EV on the market? I doubt Elon has had much to do with their quality, he's one person and his companies pull great talent, it's all about his ability to underpay great workers who want to build personal brands around his visionary company missions. I'm not saying he's a great CEO, but he does pull great talent for cheap.

All the bucks stop with him. He's a CEO on the ground floor of a factory, not only overseeing and but also engineering.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by travisporter »

rasengan wrote: post #143
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As always, the devil is in the details. I'd imagine a heavily automated car factory is actually one of the safer places to work, compared to (say) a hog slaughterhouse or a massage parlor. In a sane world, we'd let workers choose between going to work and staying home without undue penalties either way, but that's not going to happen in 'Murica.

The problem is that coronavirus lives for days [1] on various surfaces. Is Elon Musk going to be on the factory floor everyday too? Additionally, social distancing doesn’t work [2] and is a suggestion being made by non medical professionals to non medical students. [1] https://www.nih.gov/news-events/nih-research-matters/study-s... [2] https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200414/cdc-covid-19-can-sp...

Your second link is an interesting read. Even though the virus was found on the floor and >6 ft away in a Chinese hospital, fortunately no staff were infected. I am not a scientist but I think they just tested for viral fragments versus active infectable viral particles. It’s reassuring but caution is still warranted.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by tsimionescu »

bboygravity wrote: post #73
rdgthree wrote: post #49

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Elon plays fast and loose with his opinions in public discourse, but generally when Tesla makes an official move like this it seems to be more thoroughly considered by a larger group of people than just Elon. I have the same gut feeling that you seem to have when I first hear these stories, but the associated press releases seem to consistently have concrete foundations that I don't initially expect. In this case, th…

This really is the best comment I read on here. I'd like to add that in the Joe Rogan interview, Elon's main point is not "let's open Tesla factories, I don't care that many people will die" like some seem to imply here on Hacker News. His main point was that the data is we have on covid epidemiology doesn't say much and we "need to cleanup the data", which seams totally reasonable to me. Decisions are being taken by…

The data is getting getting buried in communal graves in some parts of the world, like Italy. It's not like there is an option to quietly gather more data until we take a decision, decisions must be made today.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by badRNG »

hyko wrote: post #82
dang wrote: post #44

Three threads on this already: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23126517 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23127552 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23129216 Not sure this one is going any better. Celebrity frenzy multiplied by pandemic rage is producing as wild a burn as we've seen on HN. If you're about to comment here, could you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html first and ma…

I guess technically speaking, the threat to move Tesla production & HQ to Texas and the lawsuit against Alameda county are separate topics.

In the face of both, Alameda County is likely to be put in a position where it may feel the need to reconsider the lockdown orders in the face of both an expensive lawsuit and losing jobs, when relaxing restrictions on Tesla can potentially save the county both jobs and money.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by pinkfoot »

smileysteve wrote: post #133

Having toured multiple car plants, and knowing Tesla is more automated than many, I am of the belief that much of the line work can successfully happen at social distances.

…because you were able to detect - with your naked eye - the absence of microscopic virus molecues on the various factory surfaces.

Wow

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