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Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by tenpies »

dehrmann wrote: post #65
jshen wrote: post #22

I’ve been planning to get a Tesla, but I can’t buy one anymore. Between this and all the crazy, and sometimes illegal, shit Elon says, I just cant do it.

You can be sure Tesla was as cautious developing Autopilot as they are resuming production during the lockdown.

Even less. Tesla is known to be an absolute slave driver and has a lingering issue that some day the media will care about enough to report. Every once in a while we get a blip[1], but then Elon destroys the life of the whistleblower (e.g. calling CPS on a mother, Swatting them, trying to get all professional licenses suspended). Then they always underreport injuries or permanently disable workers in order to not have any "reportable injuries".

Then the media quietly drops it because people just don't care about workers or the pile of corpses under Elon's "I'm saving the planet and taking us to Mars" narrative. Elon unleashes his troll army and they hammer the journalist or anyone who is even mildly curious about the work conditions at Tesla.

Tesla cars are the blood diamonds of EVs.

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[1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/alanohnsman/2019/03/01/tesla-sa...

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M »

firasd wrote: post #17

I’d like to know what Tesla factory workers think. It’s seeming clear to me from various polls that at most 20% of Americans think ‘oh everything is fine let’s go back to work and school tomorrow.’ So opinions on social distancing are not as polarized as you would think from the media.

As always, the devil is in the details. I'd imagine a heavily automated car factory is actually one of the safer places to work, compared to (say) a hog slaughterhouse or a massage parlor.

In a sane world, we'd let workers choose between going to work and staying home without undue penalties either way, but that's not going to happen in 'Murica.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by foobar_ »

Is this like SARS or like flu ? SARS is no flu.

In the recent Joe Rogan podcast Elon Musk was talking about the need for more accurate data. The scientific facts seem blurry at the moment.

Watching the dutch news, the next steps seem to be a number of restrictions on the movements which seem sensible. Doctors have to deal with even more virues and infections. What needs to happen is, how can people work efficiently with protective gear. There is simply no other way to work otherwise, assuming this is a serious infection.

The logical next steps would be to pass a law that forces each company to open work if they can give safety equipment to everyone and provides insurance / accurate assessments of the workers getting sick.

Cost cutting and avoiding liabilities is just pathetic at this point.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by Dumblydorr »

tenpies wrote: post #130
nikkwong wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, watching his attitude regarding the entire COVID situation on his recent appearance of the Joe Rogan show really ended the lifelong bout of respect I had for the man. He's paradoxically so brilliant yet so misinformed. His idea that we should all just exit quarantine tomorrow because it's unconstitutional is not only dangerous but also now seems to come from a place of selfishness after this statement. Economis…

> He's paradoxically so brilliant yet so misinformed. He's not very brilliant though. He may be good at his niche (although I'm not sure what that is judging by the quality of Tesla vehicles), but if you are a subject matter expert in a field that he pretends to know, it becomes very obvious that his knowledge is extremely surface-level and the equivalent of "I read Wikipedia on the plane". Actually I think his brill…

I don't understand your dig on Tesla EVs. Do you not agree they are the best EV on the market? I doubt Elon has had much to do with their quality, he's one person and his companies pull great talent, it's all about his ability to underpay great workers who want to build personal brands around his visionary company missions. I'm not saying he's a great CEO, but he does pull great talent for cheap.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by Taniwha »

firasd wrote: post #17

I’d like to know what Tesla factory workers think. It’s seeming clear to me from various polls that at most 20% of Americans think ‘oh everything is fine let’s go back to work and school tomorrow.’ So opinions on social distancing are not as polarized as you would think from the media.

The problem of course is that Tesla is ardently anti-union - the workers have no one to speak on their behalf

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by techntoke »

meowface wrote: post #52
alasdair_ wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suspect that a large portion of this “group of people” are entirely fictional.

I think both groups are very real and quite large, but the overlapping group that the poster implied is basically non-existent.

Obviously there was sarcasm there. However, I do see a large percentage of his crowd saying negative things about him now like this was their final straw. It wasn't back when he called that guy a pedo because he didn't like what he said about him, or when he was facing fraud charges from the SEC. It appears now he is is untouchable in that regard, because a lot of his activity recently whether negative or positive seems to get him media attention.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by Dumblydorr »

nikkwong wrote: post #39
jshen wrote: post #22

I’ve been planning to get a Tesla, but I can’t buy one anymore. Between this and all the crazy, and sometimes illegal, shit Elon says, I just cant do it.

Yeah, watching his attitude regarding the entire COVID situation on his recent appearance of the Joe Rogan show really ended the lifelong bout of respect I had for the man. He's paradoxically so brilliant yet so misinformed. His idea that we should all just exit quarantine tomorrow because it's unconstitutional is not only dangerous but also now seems to come from a place of selfishness after this statement. Economis…

He's a deluded SV billionaire. These people have no grounding in commoners lives, he has been worshipped and lived a ridiculous lifestyle for over a decade. However brilliant or visionary his ideas, it's clear he has been sipping the same libertarian, SV mumbo jumbo that so many other SV techies have fallen into.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by ehnto »

cassalian wrote: post #119
ra7 wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let’s be real. All this drama by Elon Musk has very little to do with his “concern” for workers. He just wants to resume production so the business can resume. This is the same person that refused to shut down the factory and put his workers’ health at risk. The motive behind his dangerous tweets and tantrums is pretty clear for everyone to see.

> The motive behind his dangerous tweets and tantrums is pretty clear for everyone to see. Does his motive necessarily matter? Or more specifically, is his motive reason enough to essentially spite him? If Elon wanted to cure all disease in every single on of his workers (because that would mean they would never take sick days, and thus produce more) does that mean you would oppose the curing of disease in Elon's wor…

You've gone on a veritable expedition to make this argument, and somewhat wrapped two ideas into one.

Someone's motivation is enough to lose respect for them, especially if it's under the guise of something else. It's conniving to deceive in order to get your way.

So lets say we consider the action a net good, we can totally support the action, recognize the bad sides, and still lose respect for the person for the way they have conducted themselves.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by tsimionescu »

vekker wrote: post #126
markvdb wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fundamental flaws in US health care and worker protection exposed. That's what this is. Compare to the system in my native Belgium: - a month of 100% paid sick leave, paid by the employer - followed by five months 60% of wage in sick leave, paid by social security - protected from redundancy within this 6 month period - if made redundant afterwards while still ill after 6 months, obligation for the employer to pay (s…

I'm happy to live in a country with such a strong social safety net as well, compared to the US (even though I don't profit from it at all being young, self-employed and unmarried...), but on the other hand I'm really concerned about our future. Someone has to pay for this and it's not like the government is encouraging people to roll up their sleeves and to learn some personal responsibility, with all the benefits t…

The thing is, people everywhere want to work, with extraordinarily few exceptions. A government doesn't really need to incentivize work in general, only some specific kinds of work which are underperformed.
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