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Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by aaron695 »

KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #59
rdgthree wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Taking this quote out of context is impressively dishonest. It would be incredibly inaccurate to describe Elon's history of winning big as "occasional", and for that same reason it would be incredibly surprising if Charlie Munger described Elon's career this way with no qualifiers. Not surprisingly, he didn't. This quote is the end of a much more nuanced statement to conclude the point that he generally prefers to in…

The quote speaks for itself. Please do not stoop to ad hominems.

We can listen to the quote here, and it's not about Elon at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1Oi3esiry8&feature=youtu.be...

And to me, he is only attributing a quote to Elon, nothing else, but the audience takes it a different way. Regardless the quote above is not about Elon.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by pcdoodle »

hyko wrote: post #41

And so fades any chance that I’ll ever buy a Tesla vehicle. All this lunacy is rotting the brand from the inside, and nobody has the power to stop it. Especially galling because they were supposed to use technology to lead us to a better world, but instead they seem to be unable to escape one man’s hubris.

Have fun in your Prius.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by ebcode »

holler wrote: post #74
Phr0ztByte wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And from the same article "is bold and brilliant, and he swings for the fences." and ... "People like that get some remarkable results,” Munger continued. “Sometimes they get some quick failures. I haven’t the faintest idea how Elon Musk will turn out, but he has a considerable chance of success and considerable chance of failure. He seems to like it that way."

> but he has a considerable chance of success... Wait a second, by all measures this billionaire is _already_ successful, no? How could anyone claim the contrary?

The success he's referring to could be the success of Elon's vision, rather than Elon himself.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by markvdb »

otakucode wrote: post #7

What I didn't see mentioned that concerns me (although I admit it might be a concern born purely out of ignorance): No mention of whether employees would be provided with a minimum of 2 weeks paid sick leave should they show symptoms of COVID-19. Any employee who has a reasonable chance of becoming ill with COVID-19 at their work, and who does not also have a minimum of 2 weeks paid leave, should, by all logic I can…

Fundamental flaws in US health care and worker protection exposed. That's what this is.

Compare to the system in my native Belgium:

- a month of 100% paid sick leave, paid by the employer

- followed by five months 60% of wage in sick leave, paid by social security

- protected from redundancy within this 6 month period

- if made redundant afterwards while still ill after 6 months, obligation for the employer to pay (significant) damages

- 60% of last wage sick pay afterwards, capped to a generous maximum, unlimited in time as long as the illness lasts, paid by social security

- high quality healthcare regardless of employment status

- jobless benefits when healthy without a job, unlimited in time, recently made somewhat degressive

This makes for less of a power imbalance between employers and employees. Huge short and medium term social stabiliser. Certainly not without its flaws, but great to have in place during these times of severe economic crisis.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by concordDance »

nikkwong wrote: post #39
jshen wrote: post #22

I’ve been planning to get a Tesla, but I can’t buy one anymore. Between this and all the crazy, and sometimes illegal, shit Elon says, I just cant do it.

Yeah, watching his attitude regarding the entire COVID situation on his recent appearance of the Joe Rogan show really ended the lifelong bout of respect I had for the man. He's paradoxically so brilliant yet so misinformed. His idea that we should all just exit quarantine tomorrow because it's unconstitutional is not only dangerous but also now seems to come from a place of selfishness after this statement. Economis…

Not all epidemologists are in agreement.

Sweden's has basically said the costs of shutting down until a vaccine is found (or until the numbers are low enough you can test-and-track and impose quaruntine or testing on all visitors to the country) are worse than just letting it run its course.

Bare in mind that all government decisions are heavily biased by the optics of that decision, as seen by the average voter when passed through a media filter. If it genuinely cost more QALYs to implement shutdown+exit strategy than just "attempt mitigation with focus on elderly and delay things until you've got enough equipment", it would still be very hard to argue that viewpoint in front of the media.

Arguing "The economy is more important than grandma!" is very difficult, requiring a dive into life expectancy, quality of life metrics, isolation side effects, economic depression side effects, QALYs and what exactly an "economy" even is (and, importantly, what it isn't, like all the non-captured-by-gdp utility gained by just hanging out with friends in the park). Can you imagine a politician trying to argue that grandma is a necessary sacrifice in front of the cameras?

Admittedly, making such an argument isn't impossible: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-8281007/amp/Forme...

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by flo123456 »

hyko wrote: post #80
flo123456 wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Better get a Diesel from a respected vendor then. They’ve not done anything questionable for the past 2-3 years. ;-)

Other electric vehicle makers are available :) And none of them need an erratic soap opera swirling around them to market their products.

Yes of course. The comment above was a joke. Hence the winky smiley. :-)

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by concordDance »

ornornor wrote: post #64
wurst_case wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you own products from companies that take part in illegal, corrupt, or morally questionable acts? My point is not to shame you, my point is to say what Tesla does is just not close to the behavior of traditional car companies, oil companies, or many Chinese manufacturers that make your favorite gadgets. It's just that Elon is a twat at times because he is obviously emotionally unstable.

That’s whataboutism though. It beats doing nothing at all, and using some of the things you cite (oil, made in China) is close to impossible to avoid (for now at least), but that doesn’t preclude anyone from saying they disapprove of Tesla and won’t buy one of their car because of what they think of the ceo. Especially when the ceo is the brand.

Well what's the alternative to buying a Tesla? Are there any other purely electric car makers out there that produce at a non-negligible scale?

Global warming is orders of magnitude more important than COVID19.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by hyperdunc »

nikkwong wrote: post #39
jshen wrote: post #22

I’ve been planning to get a Tesla, but I can’t buy one anymore. Between this and all the crazy, and sometimes illegal, shit Elon says, I just cant do it.

Yeah, watching his attitude regarding the entire COVID situation on his recent appearance of the Joe Rogan show really ended the lifelong bout of respect I had for the man. He's paradoxically so brilliant yet so misinformed. His idea that we should all just exit quarantine tomorrow because it's unconstitutional is not only dangerous but also now seems to come from a place of selfishness after this statement. Economis…

I find his heterodoxy refreshing, not selfish. We don't know how much worse things would have gotten without lockdown, but the negative consequences of lockdown are pretty bad too.

As for corruption and misinformation being everywhere - the truth of that is evident. This doesn't make our institutions worthless, but it doesn't make skepticism prudent.

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