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Re: Bye, Amazon

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Post by dandare »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #359
unreal37 wrote: post #341

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, there's an argument to be made that America is not actually truly capitalist. The government intervenes in the market all the time, especially now. Nothing big is allowed to fail. $Trillions to keep the party going. That's not capitalism. Even Buffett is sitting this "recovery" out because he can see the lack of a free market.

"No True Scotsman"

That is not how you use the No True Scotsman fallacy. US is not the world economy, US economy is not defining characteristics of capitalism.

Re: Bye, Amazon

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Post by dandare »

james-mcelwain wrote: post #357
unreal37 wrote: post #341

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Also, there's an argument to be made that America is not actually truly capitalist. The government intervenes in the market all the time, especially now. Nothing big is allowed to fail. $Trillions to keep the party going. That's not capitalism. Even Buffett is sitting this "recovery" out because he can see the lack of a free market.

Isn't this the same rhetorical move that communists/socialists get accused of all the time? How can you claim that the most ideologically capitalist country on the planet isn't actually capitalist?

To be fair, a lot of the criticism of communism/socialism really is misguided :). But is US the most ideologically capitalist country on the planet? Or is that is just election campaign populism? Few examples: US has high barriers to enter certain markets in the form of bureaucracy and incumbent market manipulation. US has low overall taxation - 25% of GDP, (which is good) but the taxes come disproportionally from the poor. Then the portion of transfers back to the people is lover than average causing effects like #27 place in social mobility.

Re: Bye, Amazon

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Post by karlkeefer »

lazyjones wrote: post #979
specialp wrote: post #701

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Yes for me too. The fact that Amazon is so cheap that they want employees to sit around for 20-30 minutes after their shift unpaid to get searched to make sure they aren't stealing blew me away. It is one thing if Amazon wants to do this and pay their employees, but to not pay is wrong. And they felt so strongly about this they appealed a case all the way to the Supreme Court... That was the snapping point for me too…

> they felt so strongly about this they appealed a case all the way to the Supreme Court. The felt confident that they were right about it and the SC confirmed it. It's classic double standards if you celebrate one winner at the SC and condemn others based on your political/ideological opinion.

You can be satisfied or disappointed with a result in the supreme court without making the court your moral authority.

It can be both legal and wrong. No need for a "double standard".

Re: Bye, Amazon

#994

Post by warmfuzzykitten »

hourislate wrote: post #615

Completely anecdotal. It's possible some Amazon Warehouses are run better than others. A friend who recently got a job (5 weeks ago) at one of Amazons warehouses (NJ/NYC area) has only praise for the way things are run. They take his temperature 3 times a day, provide a mask, constantly monitor social distancing, clean washrooms every hour, enforce social distancing in any break rooms, work areas, etc. He says it's n…

A company is not just one thing.

https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/response-tim-brays-departure-...

Re: Bye, Amazon

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Post by flyinbryan125 »

You would think the (ex)VP from amazon could get a decent website together that is legible on a mobile device... He must have been the one keeping the archaic layout on the amazon website from the early 2000s.

Re: Bye, Amazon

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Post by ex_amazon_sde »

munificent wrote: post #445
ex_amazon_sde wrote: post #253

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The latter it's much easier: the stocks are vested after 5 years, the unspent disposable income is saved somewhere and now and you are ready to leave. Also the turnover of engineers in Amazon is among the highest in the industry and only a few stay beyond 5 years. In comparison, refusing to work for some FAANG takes 10 times more courage for someone out of college and without saving.

I think you dramatically underestimate how hard change is for people. Sure, rationally it's easier to quit. But humans are not perfectly rational spherical volumes. Quitting means not having a place to go every day, not seeing the tribe you're used to spending most of your day with, not knowing what "normal" will look like tomorrow, and signing yourself up for making a series of very difficult, stressful executive de…

> I think you dramatically underestimate how hard change is for people.

That's a bit patronizing. I quit Amazon myself.

Re: Bye, Amazon

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Post by manigandham »

ForHackernews wrote: post #960
mrslave wrote: post #911

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> Daylight is the best disinfectant Shame about all the deplatforming then

Sunshine as disinfectant only works if the corrupt parties have some sense of shame; they change their behaviour when exposed. Providing a platform for vile attention-seekers doesn't make them less vile. They have no shame.

It's not about them, it's about the viewers of the content. They don't need to be protected and can decide for themselves.

Re: Bye, Amazon

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Post by manigandham »

billy_beef wrote: post #948
quotemstr wrote: post #876

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I don't think Amazon is going to have any trouble at all filling open headcount with talented people on account of maintaining a politics-free workplace. It's become fashionable in tech among a certain crowd to bombard coworkers with divisive messaging about controversial social issues, to leak confidential information to sympathetic external press, and to demonize anyone who objects. This practice must end, and I ad…

This quickly begins to sound like a 21st century “we were only following orders” argument, no?

No, because they obviously didn't and quit.

Re: Bye, Amazon

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Post by ForHackernews »

manigandham wrote: post #997
ForHackernews wrote: post #960

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Sunshine as disinfectant only works if the corrupt parties have some sense of shame; they change their behaviour when exposed. Providing a platform for vile attention-seekers doesn't make them less vile. They have no shame.

It's not about them, it's about the viewers of the content. They don't need to be protected and can decide for themselves.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52164358 Obviously some people can't.

Re: Bye, Amazon

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Post by manigandham »

ForHackernews wrote: post #999
manigandham wrote: post #997

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It's not about them, it's about the viewers of the content. They don't need to be protected and can decide for themselves.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-52164358 Obviously some people can't.

That includes people who think they can control what others decide.
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