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Re: Getting Back to Work

#101

Post by concordDance »

goatlover wrote: post #88
centimeter wrote: post #24

Good. The economic devastation produced by the absurd government overreaction has destroyed orders of magnitude more net utility (measured in dollars, or imputed uniform-weight utils, or QALY, or whatever) than any realistic projection for the destruction caused by this virus. It's should now be abundantly clear to everyone what was clear to people who looked at the available data with a level head months ago: these…

The current 280k death toll would be higher and and heading towards 1918 Influence deaths with many hospitals being overwhelmed. That's what the lock downs are preventing, and that's why things aren't as bad as the models predicted, because we took action to slow the spread of the virus. But maybe you think 50 million deaths are worth keeping the economy rolling along (and that millions dying and health care failing…

Lockdowns aren't preventing it, they're delaying it.

50 million deaths in the USA is utter nonesense.

There's plenty of disagreement between epidemologists as to the costs of lockdowns and exit strategies.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#102

Post by concordDance »

hyko wrote: post #36
centimeter wrote: post #24

Good. The economic devastation produced by the absurd government overreaction has destroyed orders of magnitude more net utility (measured in dollars, or imputed uniform-weight utils, or QALY, or whatever) than any realistic projection for the destruction caused by this virus. It's should now be abundantly clear to everyone what was clear to people who looked at the available data with a level head months ago: these…

Lives are the economy. The lockdown protects the economy.

The lives involved are mostly not economically productive. (This is not to say they aren't very valuable and worth living, just that your quip is incorrect)

In my view, lives are for living. A rampant covid 19 (which we'll probably get any way) would cost a few months of life expectancy. I'm unconvinced preventing many from living their lives to the fullest for months in the hopes that covid 19 will magically disappear is worthwhile.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#103

Post by concordDance »

louis_pasteur wrote: post #28
centimeter wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most businesses aren't in a position to sue the county. If Tesla sues and wins, those other businesses will benefit as well. I'm not sure what you're objecting to here.

If having the disease spread more widely among populations and more COVID deaths translates as "benefit" to you then yes. Tesla is concerned about only profits but what's profitable for the company may not be for people.

I'd love to know what these plans to wipe out covid 19 are that everyone but me seems to have been informed about. I must clearly have missed some big news.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#104

Post by haakonhr »

concordDance wrote: post #101
goatlover wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current 280k death toll would be higher and and heading towards 1918 Influence deaths with many hospitals being overwhelmed. That's what the lock downs are preventing, and that's why things aren't as bad as the models predicted, because we took action to slow the spread of the virus. But maybe you think 50 million deaths are worth keeping the economy rolling along (and that millions dying and health care failing…

Lockdowns aren't preventing it, they're delaying it. 50 million deaths in the USA is utter nonesense. There's plenty of disagreement between epidemologists as to the costs of lockdowns and exit strategies.

US isn't the only country in the world

Re: Getting Back to Work

#105

Post by haakonhr »

icelancer wrote: post #85
maybenot2231 wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sweden has 2x the projected per capita death rate of the US from the virus. I think saving 135k lives are a substantial consideration for action.

It's not over yet. Sweden's idea is the deaths under the curve are likely to be the same everywhere for the next 12-18 months, so they are frontloading them without crashing the domestic industries while trying to keep hospitals from being overloaded. The strategy can't be judged for quite some time.

So far it seems like that hasn't panned out as Sweden is suffering from the same economic downturn as its neighbors.

See for example: https://www.wsj.com/articles/sweden-has-avoided-a-coronaviru...

Re: Getting Back to Work

#106

Post by gherkinnn »

holler wrote: post #74
Phr0ztByte wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And from the same article "is bold and brilliant, and he swings for the fences." and ... "People like that get some remarkable results,” Munger continued. “Sometimes they get some quick failures. I haven’t the faintest idea how Elon Musk will turn out, but he has a considerable chance of success and considerable chance of failure. He seems to like it that way."

> but he has a considerable chance of success... Wait a second, by all measures this billionaire is _already_ successful, no? How could anyone claim the contrary?

Depending on how it ends.

Will he be reduced to a mad man shouting on twitter, with nothing left to his name but failed enterprises?

Or will he carve the moon in his image?

Re: Getting Back to Work

#107

Post by concordDance »

louis_pasteur wrote: post #26
propter_hoc wrote: post #16

Suing the county, really? There's hundreds of thousands, probably millions of businesses that have been shuttered by COVID-19, and yet, of course, who should it be but the constant media circus that is Tesla--whose hit is miniscule compared to the restaurants, hotels and other businesses that actually can't earn revenue--that decides to publicly take it to the courts. I truly hate to say this, but it really smacks of…

Elon Musk is behaving like an entitled and pampered child, did you see his irresponsible tweets a few days ago? How can someone in a position to impact millions of lives be so irresponsible?

He says what he thinks and tries to think of everything from first principles rather than assumings the consensus is correct. This sometimes leads to the right decisions ("the market and technology ia ripe for electric cars") and sometimes to the wrong ones ("humans are obsolete, we can automate a car factory"). But regardless of right or wrong, it will often lead to him having very different views from the majority of the population on important issues.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#108

Post by concordDance »

haakonhr wrote: post #104
concordDance wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lockdowns aren't preventing it, they're delaying it. 50 million deaths in the USA is utter nonesense. There's plenty of disagreement between epidemologists as to the costs of lockdowns and exit strategies.

US isn't the only country in the world

Given the grandparent was in a thread on a US company in California I assumed a US context.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#109

Post by chimprich »

concordDance wrote: post #102
hyko wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lives are the economy. The lockdown protects the economy.

The lives involved are mostly not economically productive. (This is not to say they aren't very valuable and worth living, just that your quip is incorrect) In my view, lives are for living. A rampant covid 19 (which we'll probably get any way) would cost a few months of life expectancy. I'm unconvinced preventing many from living their lives to the fullest for months in the hopes that covid 19 will magically disappe…

> in the hopes that covid 19 will magically disappear

That is not any country's strategy anywhere.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#110

Post by concordDance »

chimprich wrote: post #109
concordDance wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The lives involved are mostly not economically productive. (This is not to say they aren't very valuable and worth living, just that your quip is incorrect) In my view, lives are for living. A rampant covid 19 (which we'll probably get any way) would cost a few months of life expectancy. I'm unconvinced preventing many from living their lives to the fullest for months in the hopes that covid 19 will magically disappe…

> in the hopes that covid 19 will magically disappear That is not any country's strategy anywhere.

Dunno about other countries, but here in the UK we don't seem to have a real exit strategy at all. I haven't seen any mention in the news of any other country's long term covid19 plan either.

They haven't even come out and said "we just need to wait for a vaccine"...

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