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Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by Osiris »

centimeter wrote: post #24

Good. The economic devastation produced by the absurd government overreaction has destroyed orders of magnitude more net utility (measured in dollars, or imputed uniform-weight utils, or QALY, or whatever) than any realistic projection for the destruction caused by this virus. It's should now be abundantly clear to everyone what was clear to people who looked at the available data with a level head months ago: these…

Predicting the future is notoriously difficult and reviewing the past can only show what happened from a single course of action. There's literally no way to know what would have happened if no lock down happened.

There aren't even good examples of other countries that didn't lock down since basically everyone did.

So, since I'm no an epidemiologist, I'll defer the expertise to those that are.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#32

Post by icelancer »

propter_hoc wrote: post #16

Suing the county, really? There's hundreds of thousands, probably millions of businesses that have been shuttered by COVID-19, and yet, of course, who should it be but the constant media circus that is Tesla--whose hit is miniscule compared to the restaurants, hotels and other businesses that actually can't earn revenue--that decides to publicly take it to the courts. I truly hate to say this, but it really smacks of…

You do realize a bunch of other businesses affected by the county's decisions are hoping they can pile on to this lawsuit or one like it in a class action style, since they individually don't have the power or ability to sue like Tesla can?

Re: Getting Back to Work

#33

Post by icelancer »

outside1234 wrote: post #30
centimeter wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most businesses aren't in a position to sue the county. If Tesla sues and wins, those other businesses will benefit as well. I'm not sure what you're objecting to here.

Them wasting our tax dollars with a lawsuit.

Wasting? Tesla paid for those courts and associated costs with their taxes as well. They're meant to be used by all.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#34

Post by jeffbee »

dvt wrote: post #14

The full complaint is here: https://www.scribd.com/document/460681532/Tesla-v-Alameda-Co...

This is a pretty broad argument, that if there exists, somewhere, any jurisdiction that would permit Tesla to operate their factory, but Alameda County does not permit it, then the Equal Protection clause has been violated.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#35

Post by icelancer »

Osiris wrote: post #31
centimeter wrote: post #24

Good. The economic devastation produced by the absurd government overreaction has destroyed orders of magnitude more net utility (measured in dollars, or imputed uniform-weight utils, or QALY, or whatever) than any realistic projection for the destruction caused by this virus. It's should now be abundantly clear to everyone what was clear to people who looked at the available data with a level head months ago: these…

Predicting the future is notoriously difficult and reviewing the past can only show what happened from a single course of action. There's literally no way to know what would have happened if no lock down happened. There aren't even good examples of other countries that didn't lock down since basically everyone did. So, since I'm no an epidemiologist, I'll defer the expertise to those that are.

>> There aren't even good examples of other countries that didn't lock down since basically everyone did.

If you mean via government mandate, Sweden is a good ongoing example of this.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#36

Post by hyko »

centimeter wrote: post #24

Good. The economic devastation produced by the absurd government overreaction has destroyed orders of magnitude more net utility (measured in dollars, or imputed uniform-weight utils, or QALY, or whatever) than any realistic projection for the destruction caused by this virus. It's should now be abundantly clear to everyone what was clear to people who looked at the available data with a level head months ago: these…

Lives are the economy. The lockdown protects the economy.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by new_realist »

alex-wallish wrote: post #20
propter_hoc wrote: post #16

Suing the county, really? There's hundreds of thousands, probably millions of businesses that have been shuttered by COVID-19, and yet, of course, who should it be but the constant media circus that is Tesla--whose hit is miniscule compared to the restaurants, hotels and other businesses that actually can't earn revenue--that decides to publicly take it to the courts. I truly hate to say this, but it really smacks of…

If those other business were classified as essential by the state and ordered to remain open, but then the county ordered them closed, they absolutely should sue the county as well. Unfortunately they probably don’t have the same legal resources as Tesla does. If Tesla wins this case it could be beneficial for other businesses as well.

California explicitly allowed counties to be more restrictive than the state. This suit is frivolous and going nowhere.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#38

Post by rdgthree »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #21
mkagenius wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I admire Buffet and Munger, but the guys are 90 years old, Well, then you need to tell me your age, to know whether I should care about what you have written above.

Not OP, but mid 30s and I’m getting a bit tired of folks who are out of touch because of their age believing their past experience can extrapolate a future they don’t understand (Buffett in particular has done a very poor job understanding and investing in tech). It’s terribly ironic that they think Musk is just lucky considering Munger and Buffett were able to invest during one of the most prosperous times in Americ…

Your comment and OP's comment are a bit silly given the context. Munger didn't say anything controversial here. He was asked a question about Elon and answered by saying he prefers less risk. He specifically pointed out that Elon shouldn't be underestimated while saying it.

Elon doesn't just like to take risks, he would probably agree with being described as "risk obsessed". If your investment strategy is risk aversion and stability, you should avoid Elon. That isn't an outdated perspective, nor is it arrogant in any way - Elon would probably agree with it. The last sentence was an exaggeration of his bias when evaluating any operator to drive his point home clearly.

It's fairly difficult to imagine that Charlie Munger thinks Elon Musk has just gotten lucky for his entire career, and unsurprisingly he isn't saying that in this example. I'm all for fairly criticizing out-of-touch arrogance, but I can't see it being the case here.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#39

Post by nikkwong »

jshen wrote: post #22

I’ve been planning to get a Tesla, but I can’t buy one anymore. Between this and all the crazy, and sometimes illegal, shit Elon says, I just cant do it.

Yeah, watching his attitude regarding the entire COVID situation on his recent appearance of the Joe Rogan show really ended the lifelong bout of respect I had for the man. He's paradoxically so brilliant yet so misinformed. His idea that we should all just exit quarantine tomorrow because it's unconstitutional is not only dangerous but also now seems to come from a place of selfishness after this statement. Economists and epidemiologists are in agreement about what the current plan of action should be in the US. Why does he think he knows better?

Not only that, but these types of "normal people vs the evil government" statements only add fuel to the trumpian narrative that corruption and misinformation are everywhere; and all of our institutions are worthless. This is such a consequential position to take and yet he seems to do it without even thinking about the repercussions of his words. Shame on him!

Re: Getting Back to Work

#40

Post by yongjik »

Bold move, threatening to destroy local jobs (if he doesn't get what he wants), in one of the wealthiest economies in the world, when public perception of "businesses putting profit in front of human lives" is hitting an all-time low.

This is going to be entertaining.

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