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And Snowden defected to Russia. Sometimes you just have to go where you are free to state your case and not be shouted down which sometimes means an enemy-of-my-enemy scenario.

Snowden did not "defect to Russia", he got stuck in Russia while in transit after the US cancelled his passport.

Seems like you and the parent are agreeing.

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Firing organizers was an example of that: https://medium.com/@GoogleWalkout/google-fired-us-for-organi... I don't think firing Damore was? (Disclosure: I work for Google, speaking only for myself)

Jeff, I work for Google HR. Let's have a chat on Monday morning, please. Edit: It is a joke. I am joking. I don't work for Google HR, and poor Jeff is not up for an HR "chat". Even if the poor fellow were actually in trouble with a spectacularly uptight HR person, I doubt they would contact him through HN.

they haven't replaced you guys with ML yet?

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Nah, in the late 50s and until the 90s, there was around 25% on women in computer science in the US, and close to 50% in some countries like France an UK (i think a book was written on why in 2017). I've talked to Pr. Emeritus Mallard a lot three year ago, who was a biology researcher studying genotype and phenotype in animal/vegetal populations (for context, he got his degree around the time we discovered ADN). From…

There was a time when it was "systems analysts" who gathered requirements and made decisions and wrote flowcharts, and "programmer" was a glorified data entry position translating a flowchart into assembly/FORTRAN/COBOL on punch cards that the system could run. As computers became more powerful, "programmer/analysts" began writing their own source code in "higher-level" compiled languages (this meant reentrant functi…

So women have a biological interest in the technical part of transforming flowcharts into code, but not in the social parts of software development, like gathering requirements?

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This topic is quickly going downhill in the comments, but I just wanted to clear some stuff up because there seems to be some "what he said isn't that bad!" People wrongly think he said women are bad or stupid but that's not what he did say. He also didn't -just- say men and women are different. He did say a 5-10% difference in certain traits is why there are huge discrepancies of women in leadership and science/engi…

80% of students of veterinary medicine are women. 75% of students in psychology are women. It is simple math: Any woman who studies to become a teacher, counselor or social worker can not study to become an engineer.

Being a programmer is not competing with "stay in the kitchen". It is competing with this:

https://www.eastvalleyanimalclinic.com/sites/site-6136/image...

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He interviewed with Dave Rubin and Joe Rogan. Also who on the left would interview him? That's the issue with claiming that he only talked to one side.

As he said in his interview with Peterson, he declined interviews with any centrist media. He filed an NLRB complaint before posting, hired Charles Johnson (who is a professional conspiracy dude and claims to know where MH370 is) to run PR and made a bee-line directly for maximum exposure with people like Molyneaux. That's a very deliberate choice. He's no martyr of rational thought.

"Centrist media" kind of took a dump on him... Why would he run to them?

Is Joe Rogan not a centrist? He is self proclaimed liberal on most topics, right wing is a silly label

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Headlines matter.

I think the crazy nature of things now very much means you can become some groups hero overnight..... potentially not of your own choice. Accordingly I don't see the headline telling me what he personally thinks.

Or some groups villain. It's especially crazy considering the first article posted was the gizmodo one [0] which was "reproduced in full below, with some minor formatting modifications. Two charts and several hyperlinks are also omitted" and if you look at an original [1], you can see that it was actually completely reformatted, all charts were removed, and all 35 hyperlinks were removed. I've heard of journalists selectively quoting people but this is a whole nother level.

[0]: https://gizmodo.com/exclusive-heres-the-full-10-page-anti-di...

[1]: https://thefederalist.com/2017/08/08/read-the-google-diversi...

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> still could have Trump in 2024 You mean you think he'll lose this election but come back to win the next one?

Wouldn’t put it past him. Berlusconi kinda did that, alternating wins and losses fairly regularly over 20 years (while his opponents changed every few years). I think he started younger than Trump though.

As an Italian, I would still prefer Berlusconi to Trump for presidency.

Still not my first choice (and not high on my preference list) but still better than Trump.

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Damore does not fit into the neat ideological right or left classification but it would be impossible for an institution like Bloomberg to have nuance on this issue. Just because some deplorable lifted him up doesn't mean he should be defined specifically on an ideological axis. But, of course, who gives a fuck. The rage machine rages on.

But he did become an alt-right / Fox News / conservative machine darling.

You have to consider the possibility that they were the only people who he could actually talk to. Not that he wanted to be in such channels in the first place.

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> Hiring practices which can effectively lower the bar for “diversity” candidates by decreasing the false negative rate Damore deliberately chose to cast doubt on whether the women Google hired were as good as the men. Otherwise, it's easier and less controversial to just argue that any form of discrimination is wrong.

It doesnt cast doubt though.. You cant have so much more women than the rest of the industry without that being true. There literally is not enough women coming through engineering schools to allow for that without you a) discriminating against men based on sex, and b) lowering the bar for women. There is no doubt. It is a mathematical given.

Retake statistics moron. Hope your professor is a woman.
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