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Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by zxcmx »

sandworm101 wrote: post #184
zxcmx wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you have a reference for this please? All I can find is this "false alarm": https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2019/08/more_on_backd...

"We report all apparent instances of child exploitation appearing on our service from anywhere in the world to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC)," https://faq.whatsapp.com/en/general/26000050 Something is being watched. I imagine they are hashing images and comparing them to a database.

Interesting, yep: https://faq.whatsapp.com/en/165022051727702/

Thank you.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by softwarejosh »

TomMckenny wrote: post #135
FpUser wrote: post #102

Don't you worry, the US pays in kind.

It's absurd to compare the US to China because: 1: It's not the topic 2: it's a blatant falacy 3: it distracts from the main point adding unneeded emotionalism and 4: Even with it's current slide toward Eastern European style strongman state, it's not remotely as bad to it's people.

directly but they sure fucked up covid compared to a lost of east asian countries.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by wolco »

MattGaiser wrote: post #173
justusw wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just tried it on Facebook Messenger, and it would only work when switching to a encrypted chat (which kind of makes sense). Kind of outrageous to criticize WeChat and leave out Facebook, when it clearly wants to join the party. I realize Facebook doesn't implement the same degree of censorship as WeChat, but to be fair, I live in Japan, and even for me the joebiden.info is censored.

Facebook at least tells you, but yes, this is concerning.

I just visited that site.

The concerning thing is the site isn't spam and offers a political view with photos/videos of real moments that may reflect poorly on joe .

To censor that is crossing the line into censoring valid political speech.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by kyuudou »

cyphar wrote: post #165
elefanten wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In aggregate, the systems of governance and human rights that we endorse for the world will have a direct impact on our lives in the long run. If you think you're marginally more likely to be arrested and prosecuted for littering because of super secret iMessage collection... why not consider the marginal effects of turning a blind eye to (and contributing to the economic expansion of) an illiberal, anti-democratic p…

I'm not endorsing, nor turning a blind eye to China's government. I was responding to a comment which was only critising China, while arguing that the US has all of these protections and thus was effectively endorsing the US government (to the point of saying that they prefer US government surveillance). I on the other hand, do not endorse the vast majority of the US government's actions, hence the criticism. It's a…

"Australia started preparing — in 2008?

The United States is not the leader in this process. It’s a kind of follower because the first government that publicly declared that China has to be contained was Australia’s government.

The government of Australia in 2008 had already issued a white paper clearly stating that if we do not contain China, if our allies don’t contain China, then even Australia will become a Chinese colony.

So the Australian government had already taken a clear position. We have a choice: we either contain China or we become a Chinese colony.

Then, in 2011, just immediately after the tsunami and earthquake, [Australian] Prime Minister Gifford came to Tokyo. She made a little trip up to Fukushima when she arrived, just to show she is not afraid, and then she gave a speech in Tokyo, saying very clearly that Australia and the United States, Japan, have to cooperate to hold back China.

At that time, the prime minister was Mr. Kan, and Mr. Ichiro Ozawa was a very influential politician. Ozawa believed in containment.

So, the Australian prime minister comes to Tokyo and tells the Japanese: “Get up. Deal with this issue. Face China.”"[1]

I haven't vetted any of this but FYI.

[1]http://japan-forward.com/asias-next-page-india-japan-must-sh...

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

kibwen wrote: post #189
devtul wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We will give our freedoms away in name of preventing toxicity and hate speech. Won't you feel good you are helping squash bigots by giving your PII away

There's not a single social network that has begun to require phone verification because of the risk of "toxicity or hate speech". It's all to fight spam and to better track user activity (and, if we're being charitable to them, perhaps to stymie deliberate propaganda/fake news).

This.

A service I built+run started getting overrun with bot users. The signup CAPTCHA didn’t help because they’d sign-up for accounts using humans - then after that’s done they’d copy their access tokens to the bot users. We couldn’t use a CAPTCHA for every operation on the platform.

But by requiring a real phone number that we verify (by placing a TTS phone call - not an SMS - as processing received TTS calls is much harder for the bot makers to automate) - but also looking-up the phone number’s SS7 info to prevent people from using Skype, Google Voice, and Twilio users - all commonly used by bot operators.

(Legitimate users that want an account but can’t make it past our bot screen can still contact us directly to be set-up - and to-date no-one has done this or complained about the (admittantly user-hostile) verification process.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by sergers »

jhwang5 wrote: post #162
TallGuyShort wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So like, the way America did with the Japanese? And I support enforcement of borders, but the conditions for detention of illegal immigrants has drawn recent comparisons. Not as bad as communist countries, of course, but not much of a moral high ground either.

In the U.S., we send them to private prisons instead and make them do free labor.

While I dont quite agree, this made me laugh...

Touche

To an extent this is true, except china has USA beat hands down still with the camps

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by data4lyfe »

wolco wrote: post #181
sacks2k wrote: post #83

It's not just WeChat. They own stakes in many american media companies and movie production houses. They use this influence to also change our Media and push pro-Chinese propaganda to the American public.

Superhero movies and blockbusters movies (and tv shows like Picard) always feature a part asian young character. I guess it helps their worldwide sales. Makes it easier to see the influence.

It's illuminating that you think Asian diversity in media is Chinese propaganda.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by casefields »

wolco wrote: post #193
MattGaiser wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Facebook at least tells you, but yes, this is concerning.

I just visited that site. The concerning thing is the site isn't spam and offers a political view with photos/videos of real moments that may reflect poorly on joe . To censor that is crossing the line into censoring valid political speech.

Exactly. Imagine Big Tech censoring a website dedicated to hosting the Trump "grab them by the pussy" tape? It would be outrageous.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Post by dhab »

Everyone's spying - US, China, Europe, Middle East, East. Some are lesser known to detain and try in secret courts (USA), others are known to do that rampantly (china)
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