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#111
Of course. This is what the CCP does. They are sucking up every piece of information they can, whether or not they can currently make use it.

We ought to block any know tools that a foreign government uses to spy on our citizens. They block everything of ours and anything that offers a different point of view.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

#113
post #90

Honestly curious: knowing what everyone knows, why would any person who is not of Chinese origin, use WeChat? What's the use case?

Easy answer: to keep in contact with friends who are of Chinese origin. For example any international friends you made in college who moved back home after

Re: We Chat, They Watch

#114
It seems the censorship is performed on documents and images that are exchanged between users. I’m interested to know if text messages undergo such a process as well .

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#115
post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whether or not compromised, I am sure my messages on iMessage are not used to train censorship applications by the NSA. Messages on WeChat are used for censorship. I also, separately, think that in aggregate Apple has incentives to make iMessage secure. While Tencent has incentives to share WeChat data with CCP. These are among many reasons why the comparison was false equivalence. The world is not just black and whi…

> I am sure my messages on iMessage are not used to train censorship applications by the NSA What basis do you have for this certainty?

To your question: Relative transparency and relative accountability of the governments in question.

But your question is by nature setting up a false comparison. There is no observed censorship apparatus in place in the US. You can always pose "what if" scenarios about super classified efforts, but functionally there is no active system in place.

Compare this to the vastly-resourced, all-encompassing one operated openly and enthusiastically by the CCP.

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#116
post #75

People are routinely jailed in china for sending messages on WeChat [0] [1] [2]... This has been going on almost on a daily basis since WeChat started... Did anyone think they weren't monitoring and censoring it? [0] https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/jailed... [1] http://www.phayul.com/2020/03/22/42960/ [2] https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2020/04/25/tech...

Non-amp links:

[0] https://www.wsj.com/articles/jailed-for-a-text-chinas-censor...

[2] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/25/technology/china-huawei-i...

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#118
post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To talk to friends or family that are in China.

> To talk to friends or family that are in China. I'm assuming you mean of not-Chinese origin, basically expats. Yes? Are there no other options? Are no non-Chinese messengers allowed in China?

Yeah WhatsApp, Facebook, Reddit, Google Hangouts all banned in China. Pretty much anything not owned by a Chinese company, or anything that didn't go through all sorts of hoops to meet Chinese censorship criteria (and even then it's not a guarantee), is banned. Even github was banned until Chinese developers complained that it made their jobs impossible

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#119
post #102

Don't you worry, the US pays in kind.

Thankfully the US isn't a communist dictatorship

Can you define the characteristics of a communist dictatorship that are relevant here? Not the economic ones per se, but the ones that make you nervous about spying and media control.

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#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thankfully the US isn't a communist dictatorship

Can you define the characteristics of a communist dictatorship that are relevant here? Not the economic ones per se, but the ones that make you nervous about spying and media control.

A state that is not above its own law.
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