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Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

#101

I think the only complete alternative is to successfully persuade the Keybase team to release their server code under an open source license. Their client is already open source. https://github.com/keybase The only other alternative is a mishmash of multiple apps that each do part of what Keybase does.

Recent github issue opened for this -> https://github.com/keybase/client/issues/24105

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

#103
I'm not seeing much mention in this thread of the cryptographically-linked identities feature of Keybase, i.e. where you can link your Website, Twitter, Reddit, HN, etc.

As far as I know, that was Keybase's initial offering, which they then built on top of to create a full suite of applications.

Although to play the Devil's advocate - while the feature is cool and implemented nicely, I doubt that many people actually use it beyond the novelty factor.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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Yeah, Zoom is a US based company. Yes, they have a development team in China. It is valid to be concerned about the Chinese government exercising control of some sort over the local development team to put in a backdoor, just as our government seems to want to do to US developed products. No politicians really seem to like encryption very much. This is an overall geopolitical risk not unique to Zoom. But Zoom is not…

Yes, and I've clarified and fixed my originally badly described wording. I'll let Zoom describe this themselves. From Zoom's S-1 [1]: "In addition, we have a high concentration of research and development personnel in China, which could expose us to market scrutiny regarding the integrity of our solution or data security features. Any security compromise in our industry, whether actual or perceived, could harm our re…

> Any publicized security compromise in our industry, whether actual or perceived, could harm our reputation...

FTFY

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

#105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having development in the US just means they'd have to be concerned about illicit US government interference. How is that an improvement? https://www.aclu.org/other/surveillance-under-usapatriot-act https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/earn-it-act-violates-c...

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Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

#106

Can someone ELI5 why an alternative is really needed here?

There needs to be a way to verify keys and identity when using encryption as well as when using public key operations as a method of authentication in general.

Keybase, a centralized service, provided this ability [1]. Now that it was acquired by Zoom who has a history of poor privacy policies [2], people are looking for an alternative. One suggested alternative is Handshake [3], a decentralized system.

[1] https://book.keybase.io/guides/proof-integration-guide

[2] https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/apr/02/zoom-tech...

[3] https://handshake.org/

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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You list a bunch of terms, but pretty much all of those things have a different side to the story. I'll start with one thing, because addressing them all takes too long. You think the Hong Kong rioters are fighting for freedom? Take a look at how they attack innocent women and elderly that simply disagree with them: https://twitter.com/Mondayfreemary/status/125844037836732416... Western media romanticizes the whole t…

> You list a bunch of terms as if in a 'gotcha' manner, but pretty much all of those things have a different side to the story. I'll start with one thing, because addressing them all takes too long.

What is the "different side to the story" of involuntary organ harvesting of political and religious prisoners?

> You think the Hong Kong rioters are fighting for freedom?

Yes.

> Take a look at how they attack innocent women and elderly that simply disagree with them: https://twitter.com/Mondayfreemary/status/125844037836732416....

I looked but the video wouldn't play.

If that's what happened then that's also bad.

Anyway, I don't get my news from Twitter. I also don't get my news from mainstream Western new media because they are biased (I agree with you about that.)

> Furthermore, 'Liking China but opposing CCP' is, in actuality, a statement that doesn't make much sense once you understand how the CCP - Chinese people relationship actually works: https://twitter.com/Bkerrychina/status/1253635970236375040

I'll read that article, FWIW. Cheers.

But I can tell you what I mean when I say that. Chinese culture is a part of my culture. I grew up in San Francisco. There has always been a Chinese cultural influence in my life. The first Chinese New Years Parade was held here in 1851 (predating the communist party by ~70-80 years, eh?)

Also, there are millions of Chinese that do not live in China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_Chinese

So China as a people and a culture is much much older and larger than the communists. That is the China that lives in my affections. I want to add that Lao Tzu's "Tao Te Ching" is the greatest book of wisdom in the world (in my opinion.)

    CCP != China
> The CCP enjoys a pretty high level of support in China. Real support. Even many people who use VPN to use Twitter say they support the CCP. This support has grown tremendously in the past decade, in no small part thanks to all the demonization bullshit that western media tries to pull on China. Many Chinese read western media, think 'wtf is this overblown nonsense?', and end up supporting CCP more, even if they were previously neutral or slightly anti.

You cannot possibly know that with any certainty in a regime that punishes criticism!

You just can't.

People lie when you've got a big stick in your hand to beat them with if you don't like what you hear, eh?

> My point: by listing all those terms, you are painting a one-dimensional, stereotypical, overblown and distorted view of China.

"...of the CCP" you mean. I don't blame Chinese people for the crimes of the CCP.

> If you really want to help Chinese people, you gotta first understand where they come from.

A billion and a half people don't need any help from me.

> This begins with gaining an accurate image of what China is, not the media stereotype.

I don't know what to tell you. Like I said, I don't follow the media.

FWIW, I straight up studied China for awhile until I realized how vast it was and how silly and arrogant I was to think that I could possibly encompass it. Now all I want is for the CCP to stop trying to edit history, stop locking people in mass concentration camps, stop stealing their organs, and stop fucking with the South China Sea. Those seem simple enough for even me to opine on, in all my ignorance.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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Just looked in the repository, looks like there is an app for it on f-droid. Do you have experience with Manyverse / would you recommend it? app https://f-droid.org/app/se.manyver / website https://www.manyver.se/

I've downloaded Manyverse from F-Droid so many times, hoping to finally use it for real...but I never could. I was particularly excited recently when an iOS app was released. If you have a really close group of techy friends who don't mind hiccups and tinkering and don't mind a strictly non-private social medium, maybe it could work. However, if you're trying to use it with normies, you might be disappointed. Private…

Sad to hear but thanks for the info!

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

#109

I'm not seeing much mention in this thread of the cryptographically-linked identities feature of Keybase, i.e. where you can link your Website, Twitter, Reddit, HN, etc. As far as I know, that was Keybase's initial offering, which they then built on top of to create a full suite of applications. Although to play the Devil's advocate - while the feature is cool and implemented nicely, I doubt that many people actually…

I've had one person use it to find me after a conference, confirm my various online identities (he only had one handle to work with), and contact me securely.

That leadededededed to paying work, so it was important even if it only happened one time.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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Unless they've made a major shift, it's definitely true: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/03/26/zoom-key-profit-driver-ahead...

It’s pretty hard to argue with someone who can’t see the difference between largely and entirely.

If you have reason to be concerned about the CCP undermining your communications infrastructure, it's a distinction without a difference.

Like yes, you're correct, the person you're replying to is wrong. But the reason they brought it up remains valid with the correction.

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