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Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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I'd suspect this is jumping the gun a lot bit. Keybase was running a free service for years and has matured a lot in the last year (post crypto debacle). There's nothing stopping them from 1. Letting Keybase go into maintenance mode. 2. Donating the server to a foundation. 3. Open sourcing there server. In all these scenarios Zoom gets better security which is a win for the world :)

I'm happy if any of those three options happen, but I'm preparing for that none of them will happen.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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Handshake [1] is a great keybase alternative that doesn’t even rely on centralization. All information is verifiable with the blockchain acting as the root of trust. [1] https://handshake.org

I thought Handshake was decentralized DNS server. Keybase is primarily a secure chat app. Does Handshake have chat, chat room, and team chat functionality too?

> Keybase is primarily a secure chat app

I guess it depends on the user, but the key feature of Keybase (for me) is the web of trust I've built over the years now, and secondary is the features built on top of that web of trust.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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Hi, I'm developing Bloom[0] which is an entirely FOSS encrypted[1] and offline-first (but with multi-devices sync!) productivity app which features Files, contacts, calendar and notes. So no chat nor Git, but everything else :) If you are interested in joining the (coming soon) beta, feel free to contact me: https://bloom.sh/contact [0] https://gitlab.com/bloom42/bloom [1] https://gitlab.com/bloom42/bloom/-/wikis/sec…

am I right that it's Google apps FOSS alternatives?

Yes :) I launched it last June but it was a webApp. Time have passed and the project has switched to native apps to offer what Google (and the web) can't offer: offline first and end-to-end encryption.

So it offers the same services as Google, but with better (in my opinion) features.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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I am also curious here. I have used and advocated strongly for Keybase with a couple of local government clients to send sensitive files back and forth (not sensitive in the sense of national security, but more to preserve privacy and store encrypted at rest). But I want to get ahead of the concern that Keybase is now owned by a Chinese company, which instantly compromises it. PGP is dead on arrival, since it's an ov…

Zoom is not a Chinese company. The founder merely was born in China. He is US citizen. I am very put off by this anti-China rhetoric. Everything that even has a remote connection to China is now under suspicion. This is madness.

> I am very put off by this anti-China rhetoric.

It isn't anti-China, it's anti-PRC. The difference is obvious.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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post #8

I am also curious here. I have used and advocated strongly for Keybase with a couple of local government clients to send sensitive files back and forth (not sensitive in the sense of national security, but more to preserve privacy and store encrypted at rest). But I want to get ahead of the concern that Keybase is now owned by a Chinese company, which instantly compromises it. PGP is dead on arrival, since it's an ov…

Zoom is not a Chinese company. The founder merely was born in China. He is US citizen. I am very put off by this anti-China rhetoric. Everything that even has a remote connection to China is now under suspicion. This is madness.

Yeah, Zoom is a US based company. Yes, they have a development team in China. It is valid to be concerned about the Chinese government exercising control of some sort over the local development team to put in a backdoor, just as our government seems to want to do to US developed products. No politicians really seem to like encryption very much. This is an overall geopolitical risk not unique to Zoom. But Zoom is not a Chinese company, it falls under US jurisdiction. And sovereign security risks are not unique to Chinese companies. Just saying that Zoom needs to be treated with caution because it is a "Chinese company" is lazy and inaccurate, and incorrectly characterizes both Zoom and where that risk originates.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Zoom is not a Chinese company. The founder merely was born in China. He is US citizen. I am very put off by this anti-China rhetoric. Everything that even has a remote connection to China is now under suspicion. This is madness.

Errr what? Their development team is entirely based out of China. Please, spare me the rubbish about anti-China rhetoric. This has nothing to do with the Chinese people or culture. I clarified that this is for local _government_ clients. It absolutely matters, whether you get offended or not. I also mentioned that my company is a Zoom customer and this move generally has me happy. We had the same conversation about R…

This “development team entirely based out of China” bullshit is so easily debunked it’s not even funny. A simple glance at the list of open positions could tell you it’s false. https://zoom.wd5.myworkdayjobs.com/Zoom

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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> I myself mostly use the following features from Keybase: Chat, KBFS, Git repositories and encrypting messages sent out-of-band via PGP in Keybase (and the various cryptographic tools [signing, validation etc]) While all these features are individually nice, I kinda started to worry about Keybase as a product when they started bolting on stuff like this. I think the key (pun intended) to stable & ongoing success in…

None of these really worried me.

The Stellar airdrop was my "oh shit" moment.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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Hi, I'm developing Bloom[0] which is an entirely FOSS encrypted[1] and offline-first (but with multi-devices sync!) productivity app which features Files, contacts, calendar and notes. So no chat nor Git, but everything else :) If you are interested in joining the (coming soon) beta, feel free to contact me: https://bloom.sh/contact [0] https://gitlab.com/bloom42/bloom [1] https://gitlab.com/bloom42/bloom/-/wikis/sec…

As a heavy Keybase user, this looks promising. Is the lack of chat a permanent decision, or is it just something that's planned for later?
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