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Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

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I'm having similar issues, and i think i found a way out: stop playing their game. Don't make enterprise software. Don't write unit tests. Don't accept pull requests. Simply write software for yourself and have fun doing it. Forget refactoring code into modules, just fucking code. Don't worry about deployment with k8s, just copy the Python script to your production folder and run it. Fuck all that shit about git bran…

Rails was engineered around developer happiness, and I kind of miss those days. And while React is cool I'm still kind of resentful that companies insist on using React and adding a whole Node env when basic jQuery would have done the job. Web development could be stupidly simple if we wanted it to be. I feel like it got too easy, and suddenly there were waves of bootcamp grads, and a lot of developers resented that.

I still don’t understand what react is. can I use react + golang and no nodejs? it seems like every guide assumes I want to use nodejs and I don’t. can I use react and php?

Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

#662
Bill Watterson, of Calvin and Hobbes fame, gave advice that I've found helpful over the years, "To create your own life's meaning is not easy but it's still allowed and I think you'll be happier for the trouble."

https://zenpencils.com/comic/128-bill-watterson-a-cartoonist...

Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

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This is just my personal approach to being disillusioned with tech, but I think about it a lot so I thought I'd share. I think one of the most dangerous cliches we are taught when we are young is "do what you love, and you'll never work a day in your life". It sets up the expectation that your passion and your job should be tightly coupled, and if they aren't, there's something flawed with you. Having a job where you…

Job progression up the ladder is mostly inferior to lateral progression to a new company. That's partly why people stay such a short time in a role. You'll get no loyalty, humanity, or recognition from the company. Give them the minimum to keep them happy and keep your job and focus the rest of your energy on something that will benefit you.

> Give them the minimum to keep them happy and keep your job and focus the rest of your energy on something that will benefit you.

In my experience this is the type of person in your team that - instead of consulting colleagues to arrange holidays cooperatively and ensure there's cover available, and that parents do ok given the extra encumbrances they're subject to etc. etc. - goes ahead and books out a whole year's leave at the earliest opportunity to maximise their own benefit.

Some of the least pleasant people I've had to work with were the ones that saw it as an inconvenience.

Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

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I have also experience close to burnout and recovered multiple times, in the process I have lost very precious relationships, and entire years were spent in darkness. I also have friends who have been in tech for close to ten years, and are close to burning out though they would never admit to such. This is the nature of the beast, all things that appear glamorous on the outside ( Hollywood, Finance, Tech, many nonpr…

> I also have friends who have been in tech for close to ten years, and are close to burning out I realize the audience here is probably mostly younger folks but 10 years doing anything is not that much time IMO. I think a 3rd or 4th burnout at 30 years of service is a lot harder to recover from, but I’m biased from my own experience.

>I think a 3rd or 4th burnout at 30 years of service is a lot harder to recover from, but I’m biased from my own experience

There is something else going here (or so it was for me). It's not the physical/mental exhaustion as is typically what defines 'burnout'. It's the depressing realization that most people around you are deluded piles of shit, even if they are 'nice' individuals.

Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

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This is a great point, laced with justified indignation. As a graybeard, I've seen multiple generations of "how to do software" and the most recent are the least fun. A lot of this is driven by the agile approach. It's tailor-made for dev burnout: from the endless tight cycles that force people into an infinite loop of productivity with scant satisfaction that comes with "completion", to all of the tools and philosop…

Reading through this thread, and looking in the mirror, it's reinforcing the fact that I, too, am becoming a graybeard. > Likewise, with CI/CD. And don't get me started on the monkey-work that is TDD. You might argue that it improves code quality. But, it's hard to make the case that it improves job satisfaction. If you move more work from the creative, problem-solving bucket into the busy-work bucket, the result wil…

>I'm by no means suggesting we move back to waterfall

I've always thought this was a red herring for scrum people to smack dissenters with. I've never done a strict waterfall with unyielding changes. Before agile, we would do 3 month release cycles. We prioritized what we wanted to get done in the 3 months and what we didn't get finished fell off to the next cycle. This was done in BigCompanyYou'veHeardOf and SmallSoftwareDevelopmentCo.

In my experience, waterfall project plans were never meant to be in stone, they were just a guide to give us an idea of what the project looked like. I've done a 3 year plan too. I'm sure some places implemented it strictly, probably government or heavily bureaucratic institutions.

Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

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It's kind of weird by now. They will happily offer you $200k in annual salary, but an office with a window where you could keep a potted plant is out of the question.

exactly, what the hell is that about? is it a form of abuse like trying to keep everyone under control? is it a form of psychological conditioning to remind you that you just a resource whose top priority is to be interrupted at any time so knowing that you don't really have any personal space sovereignty or privacy to your own thoughts or creativity but that you must answer and create only for the collective? I don'…

It's a cost saving measure justified by facilitating communication evoked by people who do nothing but "communicate" for a living.

Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

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I’m in the US and my experience is the same as yours. Maybe 50% of my friends are coworkers and former coworkers. I have almost always stayed at companies longer than I otherwise would because I loved my coworkers. Burnout for me is caused by too much bureaucracy, too many meetings, and incompatible programming philosophies. Only twice in my long career have I left a job due to an insufferable coworker.

> incompatible programming philosophies This really hits home for me. I'm at my most miserable when working with people who value doing things fast more than doing them well. I suspect those people are also at their most miserable when working with me. I see them as creating work that I'll have to do eventually to clean up their mess, and I suspect they see me as an insufferable gatekeeper.

Maybe you should switch to a different programming domain. For example, embedded systems and security software tends to value correctness a lot more than e-commerce does.

Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

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post #222

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No unit tests?? You should just recommend never running your code if that's where you're going.

Not having unit tests doesn’t imply not testing nor suggest anything about the value of testing.

I think a lot of people miss this point entirely. Before the unit test thing, I would always have a tester project, it just wasn't formal or automated.

I see good value in modern unit tests when you are building some sort of automation engine, rules engine, etc. But I think a lot of people see them as a hammer and everything is a nail.

Re: Extremely disillusioned with technology. Please help

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UB started with the right observations, but arrived at the wrong means prescriptions. He wandered off alone into the weeds, in both senses. A wiser realization is that it's those in established power and the rich who are actively or willfully ignorantly sabotaging the planet and condemning billions of people to relatively more poverty, misery, disease, and death. A million people nonviolently showing up to the seats…

How do you arrest someone without using violence?

How do you compel anyone to do anything with violence?

Many ways.

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