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Teenagers might not have credit cards, but they receive iTunes gift cards as gifts, which they can now use on Xcode.
I'm trying to think of what would've happened if I had to ask my parents for their credit card every time I had to download some tool when I was a kid just messing around with programming. I probably wouldn't working in the field today, that's for sure.
I'm surprised this made it to the number 1 spot on the front page. From the Hacker News Guidelines: You can make up a new title if you want, but if you put gratuitous editorial spin on it, the editors may rewrite it. Xcode 4 is available as a free download for Mac and iOS developers with a paid membership [1], just like the versions before it. Those who aren't paying members of ADC can get Xcode 4 via the Mac App Sto…
I am currently paying 18 cents per GB outgoing from Rackspace Cloud. I bet Apple is paying less. Assuming they pay the same, that's 76 cents. $5 is not offsetting costs.
It will also cover every machine authorized with your Mac's app store account.
I have 3 boxes. If we assume 5 point releases before the next paid upgrade, that's 63 gigs transferred. At your rate, that's $11.34.
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When the software costs only a few bucks more than the DVD you could burn it on and warez it from a friend, and a fraction of the price of the USB stick it would fit on, you know you're being cheap.
I'm in academia too and if XCode 4 doesn't come with Lion, I would gladly pay from my pocket for it. Imagine that I would put the bureaucracy machine of a university or institute for 5 bucks is ludicrous. Our salaries are lower but we are not below the poverty line.
It's somewhat discouraging that Apple is charging for what used to be provided at no cost. Still, if Apple can't make five bucks on a product that other companies sell for hundreds, what hope do any other developers have?
I'm an academic who develops Free / Open Source software and distributes libraries and binaries for the Windows, x86 and x86_64 Linux and Mac platforms along with the source. One important library generates C code based on a domain specific language, links a shared object and uses that; on Windows and Linux, we ship a cut back gcc and libtools to do that; libtools doesn't work on the Mac (at least last time I looked…
Every Mac still ships with Xcode on the OS install disc, as do the OS X upgrade discs. Let's wait until Lion comes out before assuming that won't be the case anymore.
This is just the beginning. Apple is in the position of "Your going to take it, and your going to LOVE IT." What are you going to do? Not develop for iOS/OSX with Xcode? Bwahahaha. Don't forget apple is a large public corp. I don't think making less money is in the plans. This is just a small part of the plan. Just wait until you have to be in a Apple approved facility, wearing apple approved developer uniforms to in…
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The point is not that it's $4, or $10,000 or $0.25. The point is that now that money has to come from somewhere. This throws up a sizeable obstacle for anyone looking to do development on the platform and will especially hurt FOSS. If you can't see this, I don't really know what to say. Apple literally makes billions of dollars on software, you'd think they'd throw the developers that literally helped build their eco…
No, cue the you're assuming you won't get Xcode 4 with Lion rabble. Seriously. Don't jump to conclusions yet. Can you clarify the $5-hurts-FOSS argument? I don't mean to sound crass, but there are people who pay more than $5 for coffee. If a one-time charge of $5 to build OS X versions of your FOSS project is a, as you say, "[sizable] obstacle" to entering FOSS development, that's a genuine surprise to me. Especially…
All this for what? A paltry $10 million or so for Apple which is already rolling in tens of bilions of cash(partly thanks to developers, you always see Jobs touting the app count). Is it even worth it for Apple?
The company is smacking of greed and squeezing the last dollar these days with all these moves like a forced 30% cut of services and now this, which can damage the ecosystem.
>No, cue the you're assuming you won't get Xcode 4 with Lion rabble.
That makes it even worse, Apple can't be making more than $5 million from this.
For the convenience of being able to download Xcode through the mac store and get the updates automatically, I'll gladly pay $4.99.
Automatic updates should be obvious standard feature, not a premium. I don't like paying Apple for solving problem they've created themselves by putting download behind pointless registration and releasing minor updates as 4GB bundle of everything.
For a diff to work you need to store the original packages, and this will take so much precious disk(for SSD drives on macbooks air) and add complexity.
People still use Xcode?
Seeing this reminded me of a Microsoft focus group I was invited to be a part of a few years ago. As a CTO who had decided to build everyone on top of free software, they wanted to know what it take to make me to switch to a Microsoft stack. I told them they were 10 years too late. You see, I made the decision to use LAMP stack not because it was cheaper, but because it's what I knew. And the reason I knew LAMP stack…
If you look at Facetime on the Mac App Store, it costs $0.99. If you get a new Mac, though, it's free (included). Xcode has historically been included on the install media for OS X (e.g., with Snow Leopard). It's still a separate install, of course. I expect Xcode 4 will still be available on the OS X Lion install media. Buy OS X 10.7 and the media will most likely include Xcode 4. This is a normal Apple pattern.
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I'm in academia too and if XCode 4 doesn't come with Lion, I would gladly pay from my pocket for it. Imagine that I would put the bureaucracy machine of a university or institute for 5 bucks is ludicrous. Our salaries are lower but we are not below the poverty line.
I'd hope that in academia your term paper isn't held up waiting for a couple of new white board markers, or a ream of paper because your requisition form wasn't approved. It's somewhat discouraging that Apple is charging for what used to be provided at no cost. Still, if Apple can't make five bucks on a product that other companies sell for hundreds, what hope do any other developers have?
Wait and see if Lion comes with XCode. Then we can say they are actually charging for it.