For someone who has been out of the loop on the whole Snap vs Flatpak situation, could anyone give (or point to) a comparison on their technical merits, and why would one be better than the other?
Google it bro
Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
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Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#502Maybe I'm in the minority but I like Snaps. I wish all software would auto-update silently in the background -- when's the last time you even thought about upgrading Chrome? The author of this article claims it's too difficult to find Flatpak apps and that the Ubuntu software center prioritizes Snaps over .deb. Are platforms never allowed to migrate to a new standard? Why is it Canonical's fault that authors of indiv…
>t. Not a Linux user.
Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#503This old saw again?
Shit. Just don't use Ubuntu. The writing is on the wall.
Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#504Earlier quoted context omitted.
We work at remote sites on cell connections. Part of the reason we moved to Ubuntu from Windows was the ability to control data usage, which is expensive. Automatic updates quickly become a significant slice of the bill when random decisions like these get pushed on users. Ubuntu was supposed to help prevent us from needing to chase this.
Exactly. It seems like these days everyone assumes you are on a stable broadband connection. In many parts of the world getting a fast and stable internet connection is literally impossible.
Did you tick the metered connection box?
Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#505Earlier quoted context omitted.
We work at remote sites on cell connections. Part of the reason we moved to Ubuntu from Windows was the ability to control data usage, which is expensive. Automatic updates quickly become a significant slice of the bill when random decisions like these get pushed on users. Ubuntu was supposed to help prevent us from needing to chase this.
Windows 10 has an out of the box feature to mark connections as metered which disables automatic updates.
Based on the discussion linked in the article Ubuntu does as well.
Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#506> Snap applications auto-update and that’s fine if Ubuntu wants to keep systems secure. But it can’t even be turned off manually. OMG. Is this real? This is the exact reason I use Linux instead of Windows 10 or macOS. I am not a grandma who can't stay up to date on tech news. At the least there should be a toggle for power users. But no, you can only defer it. Am I the only one who doesn't like it when your already s…
+1 Insightful. > GNOME Calculator was put on the ISO as a snap to help us test the whole “seeding snaps” process, not because it was a fast-moving, CVE-prone applications. Chromium, Firefox and LibreOffice fall more into that category. Ok so the whole snap thing comes down to updating browsers. Is this for real? I want the web, not the browser to change daily, or to consume more bandwidth than my www usage :)
Which is really frustrating as a user; I don't want to wait 5 seconds for a calculator to launch; it's a simple app, it should launch instantly, like it does on any other Linux distro.
Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#507Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I like to upgrade on my own schedule. I use my computer for work, and I cannot have things break in the middle of the day or in the morning, just as I get started with work. You can arrange snapd to update on your preferred schedule. What you cannot do is defer updates forever.
You can just not install Ubuntu
That is pretty much the thrust of the OP itself, and most of the agreeing comments. So While true, it doesn't seem to be much of an observation.
At the same time, it's also perfectly valid to instead, express what you want and don't want, and generally try to fix something that has broken or correct the aim of something that has veered off course.
Approving of the new change is also valid for that matter.
The only invalid thing is telling whichever camp you're not in that they can leave if they don't like it.
Remember, this is a change, not just the way something has always been.
How about, if you like the idea of everything packaged in the form of snaps, and all those snaps updating themselves outside of your control, you can just go find, or create, some new distro that works that way, instead of changing one that already exists and forcing all it's existing users to either accept the change or move, to accomodate a change you like?
"Take it or leave it" are not the only options, and it says something unflattering about anyone who tries to suggest that they are.
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#508Earlier quoted context omitted.
The customer is always right. Say it with me.
Disagree. “If I had asked people what they wanted, they would have said faster horses.” - Henry Ford. Customer is mostly right. Not always. Use your best judgement as a business owner. Innovate where necessary and stick to customer feedback where you think it makes sense.
Also Henry Ford: "The customer thinks they want some color other than black, but fuck what those idiots want."
I look out my window today and I see many colorful cars. It's better this way. Fuck control freaks.
Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#509> Snap applications auto-update and that’s fine if Ubuntu wants to keep systems secure. But it can’t even be turned off manually. OMG. Is this real? This is the exact reason I use Linux instead of Windows 10 or macOS. I am not a grandma who can't stay up to date on tech news. At the least there should be a toggle for power users. But no, you can only defer it. Am I the only one who doesn't like it when your already s…
I agree entirely. Unavoidable updates were one of the key factors in my choice to avoid Windows 10 for business-critical computing. I standardized on Ubuntu instead, but this could be a deal-breaker for me. I hope Canonical fixes this immediately. I'm not eager to spend time re-researching to market for a suitable OS.
PopOS is probably the closest... unless they pull the feature from 2020 into their main branch.
Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it
#510Earlier quoted context omitted.
My two cents, you don't have to agree but thought I'd just add a different perspective. I prefer my own package manager (pacman) over snaps for the following reasons: 1) I like to upgrade on my own schedule. I use my computer for work, and I cannot have things break in the middle of the day or in the morning, just as I get started with work. I usually save upgrades for when I less things to do, so that in case stuff…
My position is not that certain users would prefer to update on their own schedule. Of course there are. Or that new updates sometimes break things and that's a hassle. Of course they do and it is. The problem is if you want to distribute an important security update, what do you do? Ask everyone nicely to upgrade? How? Again, what % of users will manually update their software? Not a lot. For #2, that seems like a r…
Honestly, this wasn't a real problem. If you just turn on automatic upgrade in apt/Ubuntu updates/whatever and leave it that way, a user can change things and all is well.
I have this vague feeling snap is here to stay but I don't like it.