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WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by camiller »

raganwald wrote: post #12

Ok, I know I need another coffee, so I apologise in advance for being the Grinch here, but... This is pure CEO puffery. When will these guys get it? When will they start looking up to Steve Jobs instead of treating him like a guy who just happened to get lucky eight times (Apple II, Macintosh, Pixar, Macintosh again, iPod, iTMS, iPhone, App Store, iPad)? Steve does not talk about what will ship on every Macintosh nex…

instead of treating him like a guy who just happened to get lucky eight times (Apple II, Macintosh, Pixar, Macintosh again, iPod, iTMS, iPhone, App Store, iPad)?

and what about Taligent, Apple Pippin, 20th Anniversary Macintosh, Motorola ROKR (colaberation with Apple), Macintosh Portable, Apple Lisa, Apple Newton, Apple ///?

I'm not saying it's bad, after all the saying is "if your not failing your not trying hard enough" but Apple has had it's share of failures as well.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by jarek »

rbarooah wrote: post #50
sorbus wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The iPad 2 isn't shipping yet (it begins on march 11). So it would be more accurate to say that he does so when he's really close to shipping it, not on the day he is shipping it.

And yet curiously people don't doubt that he's going to ship it.

White iPhone 4, anyone?

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

#53

Post by raganwald »

camiller wrote: post #51
raganwald wrote: post #12

Ok, I know I need another coffee, so I apologise in advance for being the Grinch here, but... This is pure CEO puffery. When will these guys get it? When will they start looking up to Steve Jobs instead of treating him like a guy who just happened to get lucky eight times (Apple II, Macintosh, Pixar, Macintosh again, iPod, iTMS, iPhone, App Store, iPad)? Steve does not talk about what will ship on every Macintosh nex…

instead of treating him like a guy who just happened to get lucky eight times (Apple II, Macintosh, Pixar, Macintosh again, iPod, iTMS, iPhone, App Store, iPad)? and what about Taligent, Apple Pippin, 20th Anniversary Macintosh, Motorola ROKR (colaberation with Apple), Macintosh Portable, Apple Lisa, Apple Newton, Apple ///? I'm not saying it's bad, after all the saying is "if your not failing your not trying hard en…

I don't think we can hang all of those failures on Steve. Some of them, but not all. By my recollection, Taligent, 20th, Portable, and Newton were all released during his exile (if you want to call Taligent being "released"). I think they were all on Sculley's watch, but I might be mistaken.

Lisa was definitely all Jobs, all-singing, all-dancing Jobs. And ROKR... I didn't understand it then and I don't understand it now. You could slough it off as being a Motorola failure. It was about as successful as Microsoft's investment in Danger, minus the six hundred million dollars invested :-)

Anyhow, yes of course Apple has failures. So has Steve personally (NeXT!), and I never suggested otherwise.

My point was that very few people trying to compete with him adopt his methods. This is really the crux of my perspective: here are these companies getting beaten up by Apple and by Google, and somehow they refuse to learn from their opponent.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by dman »

glhaynes wrote: post #41
csomar wrote: post #22

This is a stupid idea, imho. If you want Windows as the OS, get a PC with Windows. If you want WebOs, get a PC with WebOs. But getting one with both, is just an annoying thing and most users won't really care. I'm not buying a powerful machine with GBs of RAM and a dual-core processor, to just run that WebOs thing. It works well with a tablet, but a PC is a computer and not a tablet. It'll be a good idea, though, to…

It's impossible for me so far to picture how a dual-OS system will benefit users. I keep hearing about some ability to boot the "little" OS when you just want to surf the web a little... that sounds horrible and I don't at all understand why you wouldn't just unsleep the machine from the "big" OS instance and use that. Is it just that sleep mode doesn't work well? ... So we're gonna throw on a whole other OS, too, to…

How about battery life? If you could throw in a arm chip in there and have the webOS parts always on then you could get great battery life. Essentially this would work very similar to nvidia's optimus technology where machines ship with a low power intel gpu alongwith an nvidia gpu. When you do real 3d work the nvidia gpu kicks in, otherwise youre running off the intel chip. Key thing is how seamless the transition between webos and windows is.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by dman »

yardie wrote: post #35
gfodor wrote: post #5

It will be so great if HP gets its groove back. It's really sad to see one of the great American companies flounder for so long. Ever since Carly merged it with Compaq they've been basically stagnant, IMHO, I think WebOS might really set them up for a big power play against Apple over the next few years.

I just like to say that some of HPs offerings are really well done. Just like Apple they can't make a decent computer As a WebOS developer I think most people don't know what they are missing. It's really a beautiful OS (far better than Android, and better in some respects to iOS) I hope it continues to improve. And now that the designer behind it as at Google (Matias Duarte), Android users will be in for a great sur…

The recently launched dm1z seems to come pretty close to being a non sucky < $500 computer.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by philwelch »

camiller wrote: post #51
raganwald wrote: post #12

Ok, I know I need another coffee, so I apologise in advance for being the Grinch here, but... This is pure CEO puffery. When will these guys get it? When will they start looking up to Steve Jobs instead of treating him like a guy who just happened to get lucky eight times (Apple II, Macintosh, Pixar, Macintosh again, iPod, iTMS, iPhone, App Store, iPad)? Steve does not talk about what will ship on every Macintosh nex…

instead of treating him like a guy who just happened to get lucky eight times (Apple II, Macintosh, Pixar, Macintosh again, iPod, iTMS, iPhone, App Store, iPad)? and what about Taligent, Apple Pippin, 20th Anniversary Macintosh, Motorola ROKR (colaberation with Apple), Macintosh Portable, Apple Lisa, Apple Newton, Apple ///? I'm not saying it's bad, after all the saying is "if your not failing your not trying hard en…

Steve wasn't even involved in most of those. Taligent, Pippin, 20th Anniversary Macintosh, Mac Portable, and Newton all happened after he left in 1985. Apple III wasn't Steve's project--and Steve wasn't the head of Apple at the time, either. That leaves the Lisa, a project Steve Jobs was forced out of a year before it was released, and the Motorola ROKR, which was designed and released by a separate company entirely.

On the other hand, there was the NeXT Cube, the Power Mac G4 Cube, Mobile Me, and the Apple TV. But out of those, the NeXT Cube is the only real failure Steve ever bet the company on. Meanwhile, Mobile Me and the Apple TV are projects Apple is at least working on improving.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by wvenable »

cryptoz wrote: post #48
wvenable wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft could simply add an automatic update service right into the operating system, similar to how they have MSI for installations, and then apps would be updated similarly. It's quite possible they're actually working on something like that -- updates seem to get better and better all the time.

For at least the last 15 years, there has been no central way to upgrade user software on Microsoft Windows. Today, in 2011, there is no way to do this. Maybe it's coming eventually, sure. But again, these points are seriously minor issues compared to what I'm trying to suggest: The "mobile" OS space is consistently more user-friendly than the desktop space. Maybe desktops can catch up. Maybe MS is working magic behi…

> For at least the last 15 years, there has been no central way to upgrade user software on Microsoft Windows.

For most of the last 15 years, most people installed their software by sliding shiny round things into their computer.

> The "mobile" OS space is consistently more user-friendly than the desktop space.

Unless you want to print something. Mobile OS's are considerably more limited, which with very little effort makes them much more user-friendly. A pocket calculator is also consistently more user-friendly than a smartphone.

> The automatic software updates was merely an example to show where "mobile" excels and "desktop" fails.

But that's actually such an easy problem to solve. Mobile operating systems (and, in my cases Linux in general) are very bad at solving the hard yet common problems -- like seamlessly printing documents or working with arbitrary hardware and software.

I agree that there will be a shift to "mobile" OS style on computers -- it's already happening with Mac OS X and the Mac App store. No doubt Microsoft is already planning a UI for Windows that is also much more limited and they are certainly working on an app store. Taking a mobile OS and making it work on a PC is much more difficult than taking an existing desktop OS and making it function more like a mobile OS.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

#59

Post by mmalik »

contextfree wrote: post #31
raganwald wrote: post #12

Ok, I know I need another coffee, so I apologise in advance for being the Grinch here, but... This is pure CEO puffery. When will these guys get it? When will they start looking up to Steve Jobs instead of treating him like a guy who just happened to get lucky eight times (Apple II, Macintosh, Pixar, Macintosh again, iPod, iTMS, iPhone, App Store, iPad)? Steve does not talk about what will ship on every Macintosh nex…

This is kind of cultish. Jobs being successful with a certain approach doesn't mean that it's the only possible successful approach and everyone else should copy it. Not that you can't make an argument for his approach to disclosure, but it'd be better if not couched in hero-worship.

I agree wholeheartedly with your assertion. The Jobs approach is clearly sufficient, but by no means necessary, for a company to succeed.

Take a look at Apotheker's predecessor Mark Hurd. The man is revered in and out for literally saving HP after the Fiorina era and returning it to powerhouse form. He did this by focusing in on financial fundamentals and efficiency - business basics.

True, he's not by any stretch of the imagination considered a "visionary", at least in the same way Jobs is, but he helped build a potent rival a different way.

I am extremely interested in seeing how Apotheker's tenure will play itself out.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

#60

Post by masklinn »

camiller wrote: post #51
raganwald wrote: post #12

Ok, I know I need another coffee, so I apologise in advance for being the Grinch here, but... This is pure CEO puffery. When will these guys get it? When will they start looking up to Steve Jobs instead of treating him like a guy who just happened to get lucky eight times (Apple II, Macintosh, Pixar, Macintosh again, iPod, iTMS, iPhone, App Store, iPad)? Steve does not talk about what will ship on every Macintosh nex…

instead of treating him like a guy who just happened to get lucky eight times (Apple II, Macintosh, Pixar, Macintosh again, iPod, iTMS, iPhone, App Store, iPad)? and what about Taligent, Apple Pippin, 20th Anniversary Macintosh, Motorola ROKR (colaberation with Apple), Macintosh Portable, Apple Lisa, Apple Newton, Apple ///? I'm not saying it's bad, after all the saying is "if your not failing your not trying hard en…

> what about Taligent

Apple during Job's exile

> Apple Pippin

Apple during Job's exile

> 20th Anniversary Macintosh

Apple during Job's exile

> Motorola ROKR (colaberation with Apple)

That one yes, though it was not actually Apple's design he did demonstrate it I believe.

> Macintosh Portable

Apple during Job's exile

> Apple Lisa

Jobs was forced out of the lisa more than a year before release and went to work on the other Apple project at the time (project which you might have heard of)

> Apple Newton

Apple during Job's exile

> Apple ///?

Involved neither Jobs nor Woz.

You can hang the ROKR to his neck, and the Apple /// and the Lisa if you stretch reality a lot, but the rest makes absolutely no sense at all.

It's interesting that you didn't mention NeXT though: it failed technically (never succeeded on its own), but managed to lead to an acquisition and most NeXT people took control position at Apple.

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