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WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by glhaynes »

csomar wrote: post #22

This is a stupid idea, imho. If you want Windows as the OS, get a PC with Windows. If you want WebOs, get a PC with WebOs. But getting one with both, is just an annoying thing and most users won't really care. I'm not buying a powerful machine with GBs of RAM and a dual-core processor, to just run that WebOs thing. It works well with a tablet, but a PC is a computer and not a tablet. It'll be a good idea, though, to…

It's impossible for me so far to picture how a dual-OS system will benefit users. I keep hearing about some ability to boot the "little" OS when you just want to surf the web a little... that sounds horrible and I don't at all understand why you wouldn't just unsleep the machine from the "big" OS instance and use that. Is it just that sleep mode doesn't work well? ... So we're gonna throw on a whole other OS, too, to mitigate that? Surely I'm missing something because this sounds ludicrous.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by sorbus »

lurch_mojoff wrote: post #29
jarek wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Steve does not talk about what will ship on every Macintosh next year. Nah, he just talks about where he thinks the entire industry is heading and post-what era we are entering at the moment. Come on.

Yeah, he does that on the day he is shipping the device that represents the direction in which the entire industry is heading, the device that is the harbinger of the post-what era in question.

The iPad 2 isn't shipping yet (it begins on march 11). So it would be more accurate to say that he does so when he's really close to shipping it, not on the day he is shipping it.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by contextfree »

raganwald wrote: post #36
contextfree wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is kind of cultish. Jobs being successful with a certain approach doesn't mean that it's the only possible successful approach and everyone else should copy it. Not that you can't make an argument for his approach to disclosure, but it'd be better if not couched in hero-worship.

it'd be better if not couched in hero-worship I admire what the man has accomplished. That doesn't make me blind to those of his policies that I dislike. For example, I do not develop for iOS at this time, despite owning a collection of said devices, and knowing lots of people who have made excellent coin developing for iOS. Anyhow, I'd like to admire Leo as well. I have opinions. They are often based on feelings. Th…

Thanks. Sometimes writing can convey a sense of objectivity which is not really justified. It can be a kind of affectation, which I've been guilty of, and can come off as pretentious or even bullying. My post had a pseudo-objective tone, but it was my personal reaction as well.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by davidw »

raganwald wrote: post #12

Ok, I know I need another coffee, so I apologise in advance for being the Grinch here, but... This is pure CEO puffery. When will these guys get it? When will they start looking up to Steve Jobs instead of treating him like a guy who just happened to get lucky eight times (Apple II, Macintosh, Pixar, Macintosh again, iPod, iTMS, iPhone, App Store, iPad)? Steve does not talk about what will ship on every Macintosh nex…

Not that it's at all related to HP, because they aren't anything more than a niche player in that segment, but Microsoft used to use talking about stuff that wasn't shipping to great effect to beat up on their competitors: even if the competitor shipped sooner, everyone would wait around to see what Microsoft shipped.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by raganwald »

contextfree wrote: post #43
raganwald wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it'd be better if not couched in hero-worship I admire what the man has accomplished. That doesn't make me blind to those of his policies that I dislike. For example, I do not develop for iOS at this time, despite owning a collection of said devices, and knowing lots of people who have made excellent coin developing for iOS. Anyhow, I'd like to admire Leo as well. I have opinions. They are often based on feelings. Th…

Thanks. Sometimes writing can convey a sense of objectivity which is not really justified. It can be a kind of affectation, which I've been guilty of, and can come off as pretentious or even bullying. My post had a pseudo-objective tone, but it was my personal reaction as well.

I'm very cool with that, and I especially agree that there are many paths to success. IBM was especially famous for pre-announcing things to undermine the competition. Microsoft picked that up as well, and it was an effective business strategy.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by wvenable »

cryptoz wrote: post #24
recoiledsnake wrote: post #20

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>On the other hand, it's not in Microsoft's interest to make software updates easy or viruses to go away. Huh, why not? How easier updates should get? If set to automatic, they're almost done Chrome style (except for the reboots GRR). And what about MSE? >HP's webOS should be more like Android than Windows With Windows, it gets updated instantly whichever OEM built your PC. With Android. it can take upto a year after…

> Huh, why not? Business. Look at IE6. Microsoft can't force system-wide updates for all their customers, so nearly 0 customers get dramatic software improvements. Of course, everyone gets security updates. > With Windows, it gets updated instantly whichever OEM built your PC. With Android. it can take upto a year after getting released, or never come out at all. This isn't really relevant to the point I'm trying to…

Microsoft could simply add an automatic update service right into the operating system, similar to how they have MSI for installations, and then apps would be updated similarly. It's quite possible they're actually working on something like that -- updates seem to get better and better all the time.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by cryptoz »

wvenable wrote: post #47
cryptoz wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Huh, why not? Business. Look at IE6. Microsoft can't force system-wide updates for all their customers, so nearly 0 customers get dramatic software improvements. Of course, everyone gets security updates. > With Windows, it gets updated instantly whichever OEM built your PC. With Android. it can take upto a year after getting released, or never come out at all. This isn't really relevant to the point I'm trying to…

Microsoft could simply add an automatic update service right into the operating system, similar to how they have MSI for installations, and then apps would be updated similarly. It's quite possible they're actually working on something like that -- updates seem to get better and better all the time.

For at least the last 15 years, there has been no central way to upgrade user software on Microsoft Windows. Today, in 2011, there is no way to do this. Maybe it's coming eventually, sure. But again, these points are seriously minor issues compared to what I'm trying to suggest:

The "mobile" OS space is consistently more user-friendly than the desktop space.

Maybe desktops can catch up. Maybe MS is working magic behind the scenes. Forgive me if I'm pessimistic here. I find it far more likely that there's a slow, worldwide shift to "mobile" OSs on all computers. It'll probably resemble some sort of iOS/Android/webOS future spawn, or something. I don't know.

The automatic software updates was merely an example to show where "mobile" excels and "desktop" fails. There are many others, and even those this example may change I feel my point is still made.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by camiller »

mahrain wrote: post #21

The great thing about webOS is that it's all HTML5 and CSS based, even the apps. For their mobile devices they choose to run a Linux kernel on the hardware but in principle it doesn't matter what the kernel is, as long as they have some way to show the apps.

Well, to start off with the initial SDK was just HTML5 and CSS. Later the PDK was released to enable actual native level coding, most of the higher end apps are PDK apps.

As a side note, the original iPhone was also all web technology based. It wasn't until a year or so later that a native SDK became available.

Re: WebOS will be on 'every HP PC' shipping next year, says CEO

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Post by rbarooah »

sorbus wrote: post #42
lurch_mojoff wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, he does that on the day he is shipping the device that represents the direction in which the entire industry is heading, the device that is the harbinger of the post-what era in question.

The iPad 2 isn't shipping yet (it begins on march 11). So it would be more accurate to say that he does so when he's really close to shipping it, not on the day he is shipping it.

And yet curiously people don't doubt that he's going to ship it.
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