I understand that the economy and the market are different but I'm so confused. The S&P is up ~12% this month, despite massive unemployment, a shrinking economy, and serious long-term questions about the outlook. Is most of the 12% just market speculation that the virus issue will pass without a long-term earnings hit?
U.S. Economy Shrinks at 4.8% Pace, Signaling Start of Recession
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#32I understand that the economy and the market are different but I'm so confused. The S&P is up ~12% this month, despite massive unemployment, a shrinking economy, and serious long-term questions about the outlook. Is most of the 12% just market speculation that the virus issue will pass without a long-term earnings hit?
Fed is printing money and it needs to go somewhere. They are buying everyone’s distressed assets including dumping money into junk bond etfs.
Wait 'til the music starts and there's a scramble for seats.
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#33Instead, we see the US Dollar Index strengthening over the last 6 months [1]. The dominance of the United States as a global hegemonic superpower truly cannot be overstated; I'm in awe. We can literally print trillions of dollars worth of fiat and people around the world will give us real assets for it. Not only that, they will give us real assets at better rates than before we ramped up the printing presses. Makes me feel pretty good about the future, to be completely honest.
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#34If there was no Coronavirus, then maybe.
With Coronavirus it is just as likely that the economy is going to rebound once the worst of the virus passes. People stopped buying stuff but rest assured, they will make up for it when they finally can.
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#35Thats 4.8% annualized. The real figure is 1.17% for 3 months. It's quite impressively small really, considering everyone is sitting at home, and many aren't working at all.
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#36I thought we were already in recession, ever since the lockdown.
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#37I understand that the economy and the market are different but I'm so confused. The S&P is up ~12% this month, despite massive unemployment, a shrinking economy, and serious long-term questions about the outlook. Is most of the 12% just market speculation that the virus issue will pass without a long-term earnings hit?
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#38I understand that the economy and the market are different but I'm so confused. The S&P is up ~12% this month, despite massive unemployment, a shrinking economy, and serious long-term questions about the outlook. Is most of the 12% just market speculation that the virus issue will pass without a long-term earnings hit?
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#39The thing that worries me is that by attempting to prolong it as long as we are, we are basically setting up a stage for a greater depression. We already saw 'sell everything' panic in March.
Re: U.S. Economy Shrinks at 4.8% Pace, Signaling Start of Recession
#40I understand that the economy and the market are different but I'm so confused. The S&P is up ~12% this month, despite massive unemployment, a shrinking economy, and serious long-term questions about the outlook. Is most of the 12% just market speculation that the virus issue will pass without a long-term earnings hit?
The market is denominated in dollars. If the dollar gets less valuable due to the government printing cash (or buying bonds or issuing loans they are expected to later write off), then things denominated in dollars increase, even if the real value remains unchanged. It's hard to tell if the dollar is weakening, because most other currencies are in the exact same position.