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YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by asdff »

dilap wrote: post #393
aliminator8 wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube has the right to censor anything it likes. It's their platform. If you don't like it, don't use YouTube.

Should they have that right though? YouTube is owned by a Google, a massive, publicly-traded corporation with near-monopoly power. Are the best interests of society served by allowing it to be governed in an authoritarian, totalitarian fashion, or would it make sense, considering it is one of the most powerful mediums of speech ever created, to let it be governed by rules somewhat approximating the much-lauded, tradi…

Of course they should. Youtube isn't bound by any law to be the standard video hosting site. They are simply the most popular over the past 10 years. Zero government mandate or anything. They can remove all hosted content tomorrow if they'd like, entirely up to them. If you don't like it, feel free to build your own platform. That's the beauty of disseminated knowledge of computer science and the internet, after all.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by 54351623 »

If this was only about getting the information out, then they would have just uploaded the video to a separate video hosting site. Instead they are complaining about how one site is attempting to ensure potential misinformation about a poorly understood virus isn't spread using said platform. The fact that the narrative of personal liberties is being focused on this while millions of poorly paid workers are forced to choose between homelessness and putting themselves at risk is a cruel joke. I can't imagine this is anything except narrative manipulation and not about presenting an accurate portrayal of the erosion of personal liberties.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by snowwrestler »

dilap wrote: post #393
aliminator8 wrote: post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube has the right to censor anything it likes. It's their platform. If you don't like it, don't use YouTube.

Should they have that right though? YouTube is owned by a Google, a massive, publicly-traded corporation with near-monopoly power. Are the best interests of society served by allowing it to be governed in an authoritarian, totalitarian fashion, or would it make sense, considering it is one of the most powerful mediums of speech ever created, to let it be governed by rules somewhat approximating the much-lauded, tradi…

Traditional western liberal values of free speech permit and require private citizens to make decisions about which points of view they will support and which they will not support. Which is what YouTube just did.

There is not a “everyone likes your software platform so you’re not allowed to have an opinion” exception to the traditional western liberal values of free speech.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by Dylan16807 »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #433
balls187 wrote: post #402

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> Should they have that right though? Yes. Free speech does not grant the right for anyone to say whatever they want. The US Surpreme court has, as a matter of case law, ruled in specific areas to restrict free speech. These two doctors, under the pretense of medical expertise, provided false information, and used Youtube to do it. Google being a large massive publicly traded entity does not have any bearing as to it…

The way I think of it is. Say my company makes high voltage transformers. And I get wind that one customer is using them to manufacture interrogation devices. I sure as shit can tell them to take their business elsewhere.

But if you're selling electricity you generally don't get to refuse service to anyone.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by iancarroll »

dapf wrote: post #448
Barrin92 wrote: post #376

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>What gives Google/YouTube the justification to silence them? The fact that it is their platform. >Fauci can defend himself, Fauci is a 79 year old man busy working 20 hours a day trying to stop more people from dying, he doesn't have the time to debunk garbage on the internet. Youtube is completely within their rights to remove dangerous disinformation from their platform and I hope they take an agressive stance goi…

YouTube gets a tax exemption because it has "public forum" status, which puts some restrictions on them, basically they cannot censor anything they want, they must uphold free speech. So, they cannot have their cake and eat it. https://youtu.be/d6C6_NVj964

YouTube is most certainly not tax exempt. Section 230 is about liability for user-generated content. And that video is a dubious interpretation of it, at best.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by nostrebored »

Retric wrote: post #298
kolanos wrote: post #208

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Did you watch the video? That is not what they did. What you're describing is a brief anecdote they shared about what they were seeing on the ground. Their statistics are based on state level aggregates for New York and California.

State level data is collected using the exact same methods. In many places people with symptoms are told to self isolate until they have difficulty breathing etc. This makes state level data a highly biased sample. There are a few population studies for very specific areas, but no widespread statewide sampling anywhere. PS: The US has ~50,000 Coronavirus deaths. Assuming a very optimistic mortality rate of 0.5% sugge…

Your 'very optimistic mortality rate' makes a number of assumptions about the rate of asymptomatic cases, the population which experiences asymptomatic cases, etc. It ignores data coming out which suggest that interventions like ventilators may be harming more than helping.

Making any assumptions about the mortality rate with the abysmal state of testing in the US and around the world is guesswork.

Making assumptions based on the horrific codebase that's spawned our most cited models should also give anyone in software at least a twinge of anxiety.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by zaarn »

ColanR wrote: post #447

It's too bad that we are so quick to silence those who we perceive as wrong. Apparently, the doctors in the video were using incorrect facts; I wouldn't know, the video is gone. Discussion is being prohibited, wherever there is an approved expert to say the viewpoint is wrong. If dissention is labelled dangerous, and dissenting voices on important subjects are silenced, then we are creating an echo chamber with no re…

LiveLeak will probably not take it down, they can go elsewhere.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by freepor »

montroser wrote: post #414
dilap wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Should they have that right though? YouTube is owned by a Google, a massive, publicly-traded corporation with near-monopoly power. Are the best interests of society served by allowing it to be governed in an authoritarian, totalitarian fashion, or would it make sense, considering it is one of the most powerful mediums of speech ever created, to let it be governed by rules somewhat approximating the much-lauded, tradi…

The idea a private company should be forced to use their resources to host content they deem harmful to humanity seems obviously wrong. Of course they should have the right. YouTube is not a public service. "Free speech" does not mean you also are entitled to a platform and an audience.

Should a Catholic hospital be required to treat a gay man if they deem homosexuality harmful to humanity?

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by runawaybottle »

davorak wrote: post #292
ab_testing wrote: post #262

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The point here is that youtube is not a harbinger of scientific truth. These doctors present their findings with their collected data to come to this conclusion that the according to them, this virus is not dangerous and the quarantine should end. Does Youtube also censor videos where plumbers present an incorrect way to install a toilet that can lead to backflow and flooding. The point to make here is that Youtube i…

> The point to make here is that Youtube is NOT the New England Journal of Science and should not act like one for just one topic Nor is cnn, fox news, msnbc, etc. They all exercise editorial control over what goes on their channel however. The rules by which youtube exercises its editor control is its guidelines and policies from my understanding.

Is that analogy sincere? YouTube itself has channels, no? Youtube is the TV. Wouldn’t it be fair to say you can exercise editorial control over your channel, but television manufacturers shouldn’t come with it’s own defined restrictions on content?

It would suck if a firmware upgrade goes out to all LG TVs disabling certain content. It’s within LG’s right, but what a betrayal of the customer who was sold a non universal television.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by zouhair »

ColanR wrote: post #447

It's too bad that we are so quick to silence those who we perceive as wrong. Apparently, the doctors in the video were using incorrect facts; I wouldn't know, the video is gone. Discussion is being prohibited, wherever there is an approved expert to say the viewpoint is wrong. If dissention is labelled dangerous, and dissenting voices on important subjects are silenced, then we are creating an echo chamber with no re…

It's with your logic that we have the anti-vax movement, the anti-gmo one, flat-earthers and so on and so forth.
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