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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by jdkee »

djsumdog wrote: post #188
ghthor wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand what's wrong with the data they presented. That article doesn't explain it, it just says it's wrong. There applications of data make perfect sense to me, that's how I'd use the data they presented. That article makes inaccurate statements like, "basically hyped a bunch of data and weren’t transparent about their methods" which is not true. There were 100% transparent about where there information w…

People should be able to see all the opinions of various experts; doctors in NYC, doctors in Minnesota. Just them on their merits and examine the evidence. By pulling videos, YouTube/Google is saying they don't trust people to be able to discern anything or do research among several dissenting opinions. And yes, it's their platform and yada yada .. they still allow a lot of content to be uploaded and they have become…

"People should be able to see all the opinions of various experts; doctors in NYC, doctors in Minnesota. Just them on their merits and examine the evidence."

Most people are not qualified to "examine the evidence" and make public health policy decisions. This is why we rely upon the experts. Otherwise you have measles outbreaks in Beverly Hills.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by balls187 »

dilap wrote: post #393
aliminator8 wrote: post #366

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YouTube has the right to censor anything it likes. It's their platform. If you don't like it, don't use YouTube.

Should they have that right though? YouTube is owned by a Google, a massive, publicly-traded corporation with near-monopoly power. Are the best interests of society served by allowing it to be governed in an authoritarian, totalitarian fashion, or would it make sense, considering it is one of the most powerful mediums of speech ever created, to let it be governed by rules somewhat approximating the much-lauded, tradi…

> Should they have that right though?

Yes.

Free speech does not grant the right for anyone to say whatever they want. The US Surpreme court has, as a matter of case law, ruled in specific areas to restrict free speech.

These two doctors, under the pretense of medical expertise, provided false information, and used Youtube to do it.

Google being a large massive publicly traded entity does not have any bearing as to it's responsibility to guard against violations on it's platform.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by jdkee »

dionian wrote: post #305
forgot_my_pwd wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many studies across the world are showing infection rates for Covid-19 are far higher than official numbers indicate. These studies appear to support the spirit of their statements.

It doesn't matter. Why is YouTube policing speech? If anything, this will give "incorrect ideas" more attention than letting them be heard.

That does not logically follow if the general public does not have the expertise to evaluate public health policy discussions and decisions.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by jdkee »

downerending wrote: post #98
forgot_my_pwd wrote: post #88

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But that misses the point. The very fact that a few people at Google/Youtube have the power to censor whomever they want for whatever reason they choose is a problem in itself. Are the doctors in the video saying untruths or misrepresenting data? I think what they said in the video was eminently reasonable. But perhaps I'm wrong. Luckily we have the freedom to publicly critique their claims - assuming our critiques a…

Google/YouTube is moving from annoying to disgusting. If the claims are wrong, take them apart. Censorship is not the way.

You are apparently unaware of how anti-vaccination videos are promoted as legitimate on social media platforms.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by programmarchy »

runawaybottle wrote: post #62

This edges a little close to state media. Of course it’s not the same, but if the guiding philosophy is ‘we cannot trust the public with certain information, for it’s own good’, then we’ve adopted whatever the hell they do in non-free countries. Very bad precedent, very Un-American. Edit: As an arrogant American, I forgot to consider that this might be a global Youtube policy.

Either way, you’re not “free”.

At least with state censorship, there’s a formal hierarchy of authority. There’s the law, and some semblance of duty to the public.

With corporate censorship, it’s ethereal, anarchic, and less accountable. The rules are opaque, the deciders are unknown, and the only duty is maximizing shareholder profit.

As a serf, I’d be happier knowing who to blame.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by mikekchar »

foolinaround wrote: post #222

Youtube has actually been censoring content it does not agree with for quite a while, and unless it hurts us in some personal way, we have been ok with it getting away. eg., Youtube has been censoring a lot of conservative content. They won in court[1] Youtube cannot have it both ways. Either they are a publisher and if so, must be fully responsible for the content they host. Or they are a platform, and they need to…

Out of curiosity, has there ever been a case where a government has demanded that Youtube remove a video and it has not done so? I may be wrong, but I actually believe that they are fully responsible for the content that they are carrying. They do actually go to considerable lengths to remove content that they think is in violation of their terms of service as promptly as they can. I don't believe they are required by any law to review every submission for possible problems; only to remove content that they are aware is not compliant. I believe they do that. If they don't, I'm sure some enterprising lawyer could fashion a lucrative class action suit. It's not like they aren't sitting on a mountain of cash.

Just to be clear, they are not a common carrier and I have never seen any evidence that they claim to be one. I don't think they have to both ways. I understand (and have sympathy with the idea) that it would be nice if they were, but I really don't think they are.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by beart »

walterbell wrote: post #294
ghthor wrote: post #84

It's important that during these unprecedented times of censorship that we all know how to use youtube-dl

How to download the comments for video? Or the "live chat" on some videos?

Honest question - what longtime value is there to youtube comments? The way these are structured seems to inherently make them useless.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by runawaybottle »

smileysteve wrote: post #378
runawaybottle wrote: post #62

This edges a little close to state media. Of course it’s not the same, but if the guiding philosophy is ‘we cannot trust the public with certain information, for it’s own good’, then we’ve adopted whatever the hell they do in non-free countries. Very bad precedent, very Un-American. Edit: As an arrogant American, I forgot to consider that this might be a global Youtube policy.

"State media" except not directed by a state, the state where YouTube is headquarted has announced cutting funding and has otherwise assigned blame to the organization whose guidelines they are following. So in no way "state". It's less "state" than if Walt Disney World had rules about family appropriate clothing (since the Florida granted them municipal control)

State media, which was mostly a reference to non-free countries with state controlled television, largely broadcasts what the state deems suitable for broadcasting. If they don’t think you need to know something, it’s hidden from you.

Youtube thinks I don’t need to know anything about this video.

Replace WHO with CDC, what’s the difference? Now you officially have the US censoring Youtube. The pattern is not good.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by briefcomment »

dougk16 wrote: post #387
briefcomment wrote: post #375

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People will point out the handful of facts that have convinced them that the situation leans one way, without realizing there's likely a boatload of facts on both sides that are simply too numerous for any one person to gather and make sense of. This is fine, but when people start acting as if the evidence is settled, one way or another, I can't help but despair.

Hello fellow seeker! Seriously it's always refreshing to find people who don't KNOW things. And despair not, this crisis is making our numbers grow faster than any virus. We will soon take back the world. :)

Haha, keep on being flexible! I appreciate your mindset infinitely more than the uncritical like their status quo.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by crazy1van »

aliminator8 wrote: post #366
blisterpeanuts wrote: post #361

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Suppose you're right. Does it justify censorship? Fauci can defend himself, and the docs are welcome to express their opinions. What gives Google/YouTube the justification to silence them?

YouTube has the right to censor anything it likes. It's their platform. If you don't like it, don't use YouTube.

> It's their platform

But the real question is at what level of censorship to the cease to be a platform and become a publisher?

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