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YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
#382Earlier quoted context omitted.
I really really like it, just like I really really like what's his name being deplatformed. I like it even more that I can't readily remember his name, right, Alex Jones. YouTube has no duty to be a platform for Diamond and Silk in scrubs.
It has no legal duty to be a platform, nor to deplatform. It arguably has moral duties: to facilitate free discussion, and to remove harmful material. In this case there's a clear clash between the two that will make a lot of readers nervous.
Actually given they enjoy Section 230 protections, I would argue they DO have a legal duty to be a platform.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communica...
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
#383Earlier quoted context omitted.
An order of magnitude usually means 10x, ie 140 vs 14. According to your article, Sweden has had a lower death rate than the UK, Spain, or Italy.
One can compare it to its immediate neighbors (Finland, Denmark, Norway) and get your order of magnitude right there. Norway: 206 deaths, population a bit over 5.8 million. Finland: 199 deaths, population a bit over 5 million. Sweden: 2,355 deaths, population a bit over 10 million. I'll let you carry out the division yourself. Comparing to its geographical and cultural neighbors helps deal with differences in city st…
You’re comparing apples to oranges here - Sweden is pursuing a narrow tall spike before getting to herd immunity, and Norway and Finland are trying for a looooong shallow curve. The area under the curve is what counts, and we won’t know those numbers for months.
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
#384This is lazy reporting. It's not wrong, but there's no insight here. No critical assessment of the claims made in the video nor the Youtube T&C, just a few clickbaity excerpts and some reaction comments. Compare with this excellent piece by the CBC on a somewhat similar viral video in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/u-of-r-biology-p...
The video is still up on Youtube at https://youtu.be/2h2QMkS5Ftw?t=2
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
#385Earlier quoted context omitted.
Un-American? There's nothing more "American" than having the right to do whatever you want with your personal property. The free market answer here isn't forcing them to adhere to your tastes, it's to make or promote a competitor that can actually compete with YT.
Let’s just stick to the facts then for a second. In this particular case, Youtube has decided I can’t watch a video with dubious facts and make up my own mind whether it’s bullshit or not. American values are not all about capitalism. We have some ideas on the individual in America. But, I’m with you on the need for YouTube competitors, but I lack the imagination to see how it can happen. That’s why I’m advocating fo…
> That’s why I’m advocating for the jamming of American values into a what is essentially becoming an institution as opposed to a company that operates against market forces.
Do you also feel this way about historically monopolistic media companies? They also exercise editorial control. NBC, NewsCorp, Sinclair, ClearChannel, AT&T, Disney...
Not every conspiracy theorist gets an oped or interview on any other platform.
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
#386Elon seems to think the "docs make good points" https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1254495050228260865
Billionaire CEO of automotive company thinks quarantine should end to get people out of their houses and drive somewhere. More at 11.
Can we please stop quoting Musk everywhere? He's not a medical expert and just want people to buy his cars and pump his stocks.
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
#387Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of all the "facts" flying around, this one is not only one of the most powerful by itself, but is also (even if it is in some way false) a great distilled example of all the unimaginably strong incentives pulling at the world right now, which I hope gives people an appreciation of how little they can actually know for sure. Even with such a fact slapping you in the face, I mentioned this to someone and the response w…
People will point out the handful of facts that have convinced them that the situation leans one way, without realizing there's likely a boatload of facts on both sides that are simply too numerous for any one person to gather and make sense of. This is fine, but when people start acting as if the evidence is settled, one way or another, I can't help but despair.
Hello fellow seeker! Seriously it's always refreshing to find people who don't KNOW things. And despair not, this crisis is making our numbers grow faster than any virus. We will soon take back the world. :)
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
#388Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some people will now work to minimize damage to society by private platforms. Google can apply arbitrary rules, but they can't claim that their decisions represent "society". There was no consultative process where society elected Google or society was asked for their opinion on censoring this particular video. In fact, "society" has immediately republished the video elsewhere. In fact, the Streisand effect will guar…
You’re likening the deletion of a video on a private free video hosting site to state-sponsored book burning? The Streisand effect is a blip in popularity here. The point is to not validate dangerous fantasies of people who are unwilling or incapable of behaving in a safe and logical manner. Google succeeded in this endeavor, despite what people paying close attention to things might argue about in side channels.
When a large private organization or a few of them control virtually all public discourse (the digital public square), their choices are in effect as dangerous and impactful as the government taking the same action.
Additionally, these tech platforms currently enjoy Section 230 protection. If they’re now in the business of curating what they publish, they should no longer be granted that protection. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Section_230_of_the_Communica...
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#389Earlier quoted context omitted.
Are infections and death tolls in the countries with much less restrictive measures an order of magnitude higher?
Yes, actually. Here's an example, probably the best natural experiment we're going to see in this context. Five times more, depending on your idea of "order of magnitude". https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-loc...
They do a good job making Sweden look bad till they mention UK, Spain, Italy. Then go on to say it's a bit more complicated.
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
#390Earlier quoted context omitted.
An order of magnitude usually means 10x, ie 140 vs 14. According to your article, Sweden has had a lower death rate than the UK, Spain, or Italy.
One can compare it to its immediate neighbors (Finland, Denmark, Norway) and get your order of magnitude right there. Norway: 206 deaths, population a bit over 5.8 million. Finland: 199 deaths, population a bit over 5 million. Sweden: 2,355 deaths, population a bit over 10 million. I'll let you carry out the division yourself. Comparing to its geographical and cultural neighbors helps deal with differences in city st…
Can we compare New York with its neighbors?