I wonder why Google's decision-makers decided to censor stuff that doesn't follow WHO guidelines. Is it because they actually care about the mass of the population? Is it because they want to minimize the economic damage caused by the crisis? Is it because they're scared to get sick themselves? Is it because they want to avoid possible legal liability? Is it due to political pressure on them? Is it because they want…
Because dominant media platforms have a huge crosshairs on their backs, with different groups criticizing they aren’t doing enough to remove misinformation, and at the same time, they are too heavy handed. The consensus is that the platforms have to do SOMETHING, because if not, it becomes a national security issue and regulation is going sweep through the industry. At the same time, the platforms can’t be seen as en…
YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
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It has no legal duty to be a platform, nor to deplatform. It arguably has moral duties: to facilitate free discussion, and to remove harmful material. In this case there's a clear clash between the two that will make a lot of readers nervous.
Why does it have the moral duty, when you signed it away in the TOS when you used their service? Host your own videos if you don't like it or better yet build a better platform that is censorship-resistant.
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
#153A reminder that The Blaze is a conservative mouthpiece founded by Glenn Beck. I’m astounded at the number of comments here that don’t seem to be considering that. The article is not worth clicking on based on that fact alone. It may or may not be factual, but we can rest assured that it’s written in service of a very specific agenda. That agenda is the typical “we are being silenced” message pushed by the regressive,…
You don't think it's worth reading the article just because you don't agree with the author's politics?
Trusting Glenn Beck to report news to me would be like trusting Disney press releases for all my info on copyright law.
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This version contains an important piece at the end, additional 3 minutes: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cmjYRJXKixY
Agreed. These people own several urgent care clinics and are suffering financially. I don't understand how much they understand about how misleading they are being (they could be foolish enough to believe their own mistakes) but it is clear that they are suffering financially and are trying to figure out a way to stay afloat.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/04/24/fac...
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But the endgame is to have an organization, such as the AMA or the ABA, for the delegation of responsible judgment. Google and YouTube just grew up too fast without the FCC catching up, but in a society where we felt that Google and YouTube shouldn't be in a position of deciding whether youths might come into contact with swear words, that ultimately means we want delegation to another trustworthy body such as the FC…
Delegating “responsible judgment” to a formal institution or organization sounds fundamentally dubious in this context.
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
#156A reminder that The Blaze is a conservative mouthpiece founded by Glenn Beck. I’m astounded at the number of comments here that don’t seem to be considering that. The article is not worth clicking on based on that fact alone. It may or may not be factual, but we can rest assured that it’s written in service of a very specific agenda. That agenda is the typical “we are being silenced” message pushed by the regressive,…
It's understandable to prefer one side over the other. But ignore your least favorite side at your intellectual peril.
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
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This is really a non-argument, as the WHO is also comprised of "doctors". The belief of dishonesty could be applied both ways.
In can go both ways, that's right, which is why we tend to trust the larger collection of people who have also done more to verify and support their claims. Two doctors in a YouTube video with anecdotal evidence that contradicts what the rest of the medical establishment says doesn't bode well for their believability.
The video was a news conference from Dr. Dan Erickson, who along with Dr. Artin Massihi, own the largest COVID testing site in Kern County, Accelerated Urgent Care, California. They have done more than half the testing there. It wasn't some random joe making claims.
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Yeah sorry I only have access to data that exists, as mentioned in the original comment. Weird how no one who brings up under-reported cases has any opinion about under-reported deaths, since the insinuation you're making is that there are statistically more unreported cases than deaths. That seems like a claim you may want to justify.
the insinuation you're making is that there are statistically more unreported cases than deaths. That seems like a claim you may want to justify. Find any serious expert who does not believe that. Estimates have always been that cases are underreported by 10-20x, and that's consistent with recent serology tests.
Cases are obviously under-reported. I'm making the claim that deaths are also under-reported, and at a rate that could be consistent with the existing known rate reported.
Even if there were 10x as many cases, that would be 10 million people and 100,000 deaths (based on the above 2x excess number). That's 5x less people sick and 2.5x more people dead than the flu.
[0] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/2020/04/27/cov...
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
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This level of reporting is pretty par for the course in US media. It's just reporting what happened without much commentary. And really, the idea that news media need to herd their audience into thinking the right things is ridiculous. It's a news article, not an editorial.
I agree that it’s not the job of news media to herd their audience into thinking the right things. However, it is their duty to uncover and report the truth. “If someone says it's raining, and another person says it's dry, it's not your job to quote them both. Your job is to look out the [expletive] window and find out which is true” -Jonathan Foster
Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine
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How would you react to your own ideas being censored? YouTube here has decided what the “correct” messaging is for the many based on the decisions of a few. Is there no room for dissenting opinion? Perhaps more dangerous are the people who now are firmly convinced the lockdown should be over simply because the video was taken down. When is the proper approach to discuss and counter instead of suppress?
I'm not super familiar with YouTube's policy on this, but apparently they decided to curb what they deem to be COVID-19 misinformation. I completely agree that what these two are doing is spreading misinformation, this is not anywhere in the range of a seasonal flu, the numbers are clear on that. It's very naive to think that what these two are doing is a good faith attempt to present a dissenting opinion. If someone…
Censoring misinformation on YouTube is like censoring porn. Wait, I guess something as absurd as that actually exists in Japan.
Alright, never mind, humanity has no bounds, continue on in your paradoxical ways.
Censor the flat-earthers while you’re at it at, at least we know that’s bullshit for sure.