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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by joshuamorton »

manfredo wrote: post #79
joshuamorton wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that's despite nearly nationwide shelter in place measures. If those hadn't been implemented, the toll could well be an order of magnitude higher.

Are infections and death tolls in the countries with much less restrictive measures an order of magnitude higher?

There's lots of counfounding factors, especially since there are basically no countries with no restrictions (Sweden has the same level of restrictions as many US states, for example).

But in general, yes. Areas with stronger restrictions have significantly fewer deaths, and areas that enacted restrictions saw deaths drop by 3-5x already, with continued downward trends as opposed to upward exponential ones.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by imustbeevil »

htk wrote: post #57
imustbeevil wrote: post #46

> "If you study the numbers in 2017 and 2018, we had 50 to 60 million with the flu," Erickson said. "And we had a similar death rate in the deaths the United States were 43,545" For comparison, 1 million Americans (50x less) have had covid, and so far 59,225 have died (1.4x more) [0]. Their conclusion is that this is no worse than the flu, even though those numbers show it being more than 60x more deadly. edit: Bring…

Confirmed cases are not the total number of cases.

Yeah sorry I only have access to data that exists, as mentioned in the original comment.

Weird how no one who brings up under-reported cases has any opinion about under-reported deaths, since the insinuation you're making is that there are statistically more unreported cases than deaths. That seems like a claim you may want to justify.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by nikolay »

threatofrain wrote: post #106

> We're actually seeing the patients. Dr. Fauci hasn't seen a patient for 20 years... it's like the general contractor vs the sub. He's not seeing patients, he's in an ivory tower, and we have a world of respect for him, he's a world reknown immunologist, two different, he's an academic, and we've dealt with academics all of our lives... but academics and reality are two different things. > Coronavirus lasts on plast…

If these are "doctors", I don't want them to treat me! ER is a different kind of health care!

ER doctors are not virologists or epidemiologists. So, to use their own example, you don't want a plumber to do your roof!

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by mattkrause »

manfredo wrote: post #79
joshuamorton wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that's despite nearly nationwide shelter in place measures. If those hadn't been implemented, the toll could well be an order of magnitude higher.

Are infections and death tolls in the countries with much less restrictive measures an order of magnitude higher?

Early in the outbreak, Italy locked down cities in the North, but not the rest of the country. Areas just within the lock-down area fared much better than those just outside it.

See Figure S3 here: https://t.co/JYf1F5GnYu?amp=1

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by TechBro8615 »

senectus1 wrote: post #119
forgot_my_pwd wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that misses the point. The very fact that a few people at Google/Youtube have the power to censor whomever they want for whatever reason they choose is a problem in itself. Are the doctors in the video saying untruths or misrepresenting data? I think what they said in the video was eminently reasonable. But perhaps I'm wrong. Luckily we have the freedom to publicly critique their claims - assuming our critiques a…

I dont get this mindset. They aren't stopping them voicing their opinions or views... they're just stopping them posting it on THEIR service. Newspapers do that all the time, TV and Radio does it all the time. Why is this different?

It’s not like these are crackpot doctors that uploaded the video themselves. It was a press conference that a local news station uploaded to YouTube.

https://www.turnto23.com/news/coronavirus/video-interview-wi...

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by threatofrain »

forgot_my_pwd wrote: post #88
gmfawcett wrote: post #47

This is lazy reporting. It's not wrong, but there's no insight here. No critical assessment of the claims made in the video nor the Youtube T&C, just a few clickbaity excerpts and some reaction comments. Compare with this excellent piece by the CBC on a somewhat similar viral video in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/u-of-r-biology-p...

But that misses the point. The very fact that a few people at Google/Youtube have the power to censor whomever they want for whatever reason they choose is a problem in itself. Are the doctors in the video saying untruths or misrepresenting data? I think what they said in the video was eminently reasonable. But perhaps I'm wrong. Luckily we have the freedom to publicly critique their claims - assuming our critiques a…

But the endgame is to have an organization, such as the AMA or the ABA, for the delegation of responsible judgment. Google and YouTube just grew up too fast without the FCC catching up, but in a society where we felt that Google and YouTube shouldn't be in a position of deciding whether youths might come into contact with swear words, that ultimately means we want delegation to another trustworthy body such as the FCC.

In this case Google choose the WHO. We can argue that there's a better choice on the table, but what?

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by saltedonion »

axguscbklp wrote: post #69

I wonder why Google's decision-makers decided to censor stuff that doesn't follow WHO guidelines. Is it because they actually care about the mass of the population? Is it because they want to minimize the economic damage caused by the crisis? Is it because they're scared to get sick themselves? Is it because they want to avoid possible legal liability? Is it due to political pressure on them? Is it because they want…

Because dominant media platforms have a huge crosshairs on their backs, with different groups criticizing they aren’t doing enough to remove misinformation, and at the same time, they are too heavy handed.

The consensus is that the platforms have to do SOMETHING, because if not, it becomes a national security issue and regulation is going sweep through the industry.

At the same time, the platforms can’t be seen as enforcing government censorship, so they choose WHO, an independent international organization as the information fact checker.

Who knows, maybe they also want to win some brownie points with china. I wouldn’t be surprised.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by forgot_my_pwd »

senectus1 wrote: post #119
forgot_my_pwd wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But that misses the point. The very fact that a few people at Google/Youtube have the power to censor whomever they want for whatever reason they choose is a problem in itself. Are the doctors in the video saying untruths or misrepresenting data? I think what they said in the video was eminently reasonable. But perhaps I'm wrong. Luckily we have the freedom to publicly critique their claims - assuming our critiques a…

I dont get this mindset. They aren't stopping them voicing their opinions or views... they're just stopping them posting it on THEIR service. Newspapers do that all the time, TV and Radio does it all the time. Why is this different?

Imbalance. There has always been the assumption in media that all sides will have their champions, and this has traditionally been the case.

Unfortunately that no longer holds as certain entities have a stranglehold on online communication.

Perhaps the free market will fix this. Perhaps not. Are we willing to allow a small cadre of like minded individuals manipulate the internet in the meantime?

I believe that's an intolerant situation and am not willing to wait.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by lostsock »

drummer wrote: post #5
samizdis wrote: post #2

It's still live at this link (at the time of posting): https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dr-erickson-covid-19...

This version contains an important piece at the end, additional 3 minutes: https://youtube.com/watch?v=cmjYRJXKixY

Wow, the last three minutes are very illustrative! Just watch for yourself.

https://youtu.be/cmjYRJXKixY?t=3761

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by devtul »

gmfawcett wrote: post #47

This is lazy reporting. It's not wrong, but there's no insight here. No critical assessment of the claims made in the video nor the Youtube T&C, just a few clickbaity excerpts and some reaction comments. Compare with this excellent piece by the CBC on a somewhat similar viral video in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/u-of-r-biology-p...

> there's no insight here I think that is great, I'm tired of articles that start by poisoning the well. Just tell me what happened, who said what when and let me try to reach my own conclusions.

Many writers nowadays think they are some sort of missionary on a mission to save the pagans(us).

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