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YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by James_Henry »

kelchm wrote: post #68
drummer wrote: post #8

Elon Musk appears to like what they said as well: https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/12544950502282608...

Man, the comments on this thread on twitter are awful. People are actually upset that Twitter didn’t remove this tweet or ban Elon’s account. What is the world coming to that people are so afraid of opinions that they don’t agree with?

I think I can understand a bit why people are afraid of this type of content.

First note that this video is more than just "opinions that they don't agree with" as the doctors are claiming and framing as fact some blatantly false ideas (like their statistical nonsense where they extrapolate their testing data to get a .03 IFR).

Now note that a lot of people are using this video to justify their desire to not social distance. I know older at-risk people who are using this video to try and convince other older at-risk people to stop social distancing. What if some of those at-risk people were people you cared about? Then you might be afraid about these opinions.

Whether the answer is calling on Twitter and Youtube to curate people's tweets and videos, I'm not sure (and I want to believe the answer is no, but I'm very much not sure that it is).

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by avsteele »

DanBC wrote: post #26

Here's a useful twitter thread that talks about mistakes these doctors made: https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1254481543759683584?... > What they did was simple: they looked at the fraction of patients who tested positive for #COVID19 at the clinics they own. They found 340 out of 5213 tests were postive, about 6.6% > Then they assume the same fraction of the whole population are infected.

The LA county serology* showed 4.1%, with a confidence interval of 2.8% to 5.6%. That test that has a ~3 week lag so current #'s are even higher.

Are you really prepared to say a claim of 6.6% is so misleading it needs to be removed?

* http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/phcommon/public/media/media...

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by jaggederest »

manfredo wrote: post #79
joshuamorton wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And that's despite nearly nationwide shelter in place measures. If those hadn't been implemented, the toll could well be an order of magnitude higher.

Are infections and death tolls in the countries with much less restrictive measures an order of magnitude higher?

Yes, actually. Here's an example, probably the best natural experiment we're going to see in this context. Five times more, depending on your idea of "order of magnitude".

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/europe/sweden-coronavirus-loc...

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by DanBC »

avsteele wrote: post #82
DanBC wrote: post #26

Here's a useful twitter thread that talks about mistakes these doctors made: https://twitter.com/CT_Bergstrom/status/1254481543759683584?... > What they did was simple: they looked at the fraction of patients who tested positive for #COVID19 at the clinics they own. They found 340 out of 5213 tests were postive, about 6.6% > Then they assume the same fraction of the whole population are infected.

The LA county serology* showed 4.1%, with a confidence interval of 2.8% to 5.6%. That test that has a ~3 week lag so current #'s are even higher. Are you really prepared to say a claim of 6.6% is so misleading it needs to be removed? * http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/phcommon/public/media/media...

What's the selectivity and specificity of the test used in the study you quote?

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by forgot_my_pwd »

gmfawcett wrote: post #47

This is lazy reporting. It's not wrong, but there's no insight here. No critical assessment of the claims made in the video nor the Youtube T&C, just a few clickbaity excerpts and some reaction comments. Compare with this excellent piece by the CBC on a somewhat similar viral video in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/u-of-r-biology-p...

But that misses the point. The very fact that a few people at Google/Youtube have the power to censor whomever they want for whatever reason they choose is a problem in itself.

Are the doctors in the video saying untruths or misrepresenting data? I think what they said in the video was eminently reasonable. But perhaps I'm wrong. Luckily we have the freedom to publicly critique their claims - assuming our critiques aren't censored by major internet companies - which is how falsehoods and untruths should be dealt with, not with censorship.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by tinalumfoil »

gmfawcett wrote: post #47

This is lazy reporting. It's not wrong, but there's no insight here. No critical assessment of the claims made in the video nor the Youtube T&C, just a few clickbaity excerpts and some reaction comments. Compare with this excellent piece by the CBC on a somewhat similar viral video in Canada: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatchewan/u-of-r-biology-p...

This level of reporting is pretty par for the course in US media. It's just reporting what happened without much commentary.

And really, the idea that news media need to herd their audience into thinking the right things is ridiculous. It's a news article, not an editorial.

Re: YouTube removed a viral video of two doctors calling for an end to quarantine

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Post by deminature »

bofadeez wrote: post #86

It's literally terrifying that they removed this video. Someone uploaded a copy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25m0fm2LSIg

They said they're culling misinformation and they're doing it. I don't see what's terrifying about this. Maybe unsettling if you're aggressively pro-free speech, but 'terrifying' is very hyperbolic.
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