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Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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I suspect Oracle is giving good deals as nobody ever considers them as a cloud provider, so they need to gain market share to stay relevant. They wouldn’t be in the top 10 lists of ones I would think of. How many here even knew they had a cloud you could use?

I did. Tried their free credit stuff. Was seriously unimpressed. Felt like a beta test Unless it's way cheaper I don't see the point

Oracle and cheap.

Thanks for the laugh.

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I worked in a startup that was eventually acquired by cisco. We had the same dilemma back then. AWS and GCP were great, but also fairly expensive until you get locked in. Oracles bare metal cloud sweetened the deal soo much, that it was a no brainer to go with them. We were very heavy on using all open source tech stuff, but didnt rely on any cloud service like S3 etc. So the transition was no brainer. If your tech s…

Any clue what the bandwidth cost comparison would be? They’ve got to be chewing through any mortal tier and be on their own level with 100M DAU.

I am not sure if it is a good idea to host SFUs* fairly centrally in cloud data centers. Wouldn't it be cheaper to build a network of SFUs that deal with traffic as locally as possible? That keeps backbone traffic low and and cloud traffic costs sane at the expense of having to find all these colo sites. I reslly have no if AWS or GCP could even handle all that incoming and outgoing traffic in theory.

*SFU: selective forwarding unit - the node in a video conference call that receives and resends all the video streams between participants.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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>AWS and GCP were great, but also fairly expensive once you get locked in. Oracles bare metal cloud sweetened the deal soo much, Until you get locked in.

updated it. Thanks!

I meant, it's cheap until you get locked in with oracle.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Some useful context: Zoom also runs 17 of their own data centers in addition to using AWS and Azure[0]. This deal is to run their "expansion" on OCI. Hard to say what that means exactly, but it doesn't sound to me like Zoom is making a big bet on OCI. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/zoom-cfo-explains-how-the-co...

This just doesn't pass the smell test. Running your own data center is a huge capital and operational investment. While there are hundreds of companies world wide that do this, they tend to be core telecommunication companies (infrastructure), dedicated data center operations, dedicate hosting companies or companies with billions in revenue. A google search confirms that they colocate, apparently with Equinix. This i…

Having servers in a colo is pretty much what "having a datacenter" means for the last 10 years or so. I'm surprised at your viewpoint of "having a datacentre" meaning only having direct ownership of the piece of land on which the datacentre resides. That's a pretty rigid and outdated definition.

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Yes, the technology behind zoom can be repicated in less than 2 years and for less than 100m.

Probably less than that. The reason it's so popular is that it's easy to install, requires no sign up...and you can record the meeting. Skype, Teams, Hangouts, Slack, etc all have difficult processes to join a meeting (or signup/signin/install programs to get to it.) I honestly think that is why Zoom has succeeded. Then of course there are the caps on meeting space, but I don't think that is the main reason for its s…

Microsoft is the most disappointing. Skype for Business is literally the worst product of this type ever. I’d rather use ICQ from 1997.

Teams is much better, but is the weirdest product ever. AFAIK, it consists of two voip products, bundled with a thickish client for SharePoint.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Try serveless function, how about moving your personal blog and website to always free tier?

I doubt you can do anything about it, but Oracle Cloud simply refuse to work with any of Russian credit cards. Registration simply fails at the end no matter what card is used and support send you to bank / payment provider and payment provider sent you back to Oracle. I never had such problems with any other hosting company. I'm live between different countries so I registered it anyway, but still...

Please contact support or use the chat button to talk live to someone, this should be easily resolved. https://www.oracle.com/corporate/contact/

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Try serveless function, how about moving your personal blog and website to always free tier?

One small technical question regarding free tier. As far as I get throttled bandwidth to both network and disk is only limitation. Is it right? Also I found instances becoming unavailable randomly for no apparent reason so I keep my testing VMs on $5 Hetzner instances. And yeah no way to run own mail server either because editing of reverse DNS records is not allowed on always-free tier.

Yes, I wouldn't recommend mail server on the free tier but bandwidth issue should not occur, which region are you provisioned for? That could be a factor. Anyways just contact support and someone should help you quickly https://www.oracle.com/corporate/contact/ (also try talk using the life chat on website)

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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This just doesn't pass the smell test. Running your own data center is a huge capital and operational investment. While there are hundreds of companies world wide that do this, they tend to be core telecommunication companies (infrastructure), dedicated data center operations, dedicate hosting companies or companies with billions in revenue. A google search confirms that they colocate, apparently with Equinix. This i…

When they say "running a datacenter" they almost certainly mean "buying servers to put into rented colocation space". Just about anyone who has significant network connectivity has a footprint in an Equinix datacenter. In the Bay Area you want to be in Equinix SV1 or SV5, at 11, and 9 Great Oaks, San Jose. If you're there, you can order a cross connect to basically any telco you can imagine, and any other large compa…

So many people forget that running data center is a super complex business not just in point of technology but also in terms of operation.

I have known people who tried to setup a data center in India and it took them around 2 years to have the first rack installed. Biggest hurdle was to get a license to store fuel in large tanks for their generators. Not to mention many of those permissions have to be renewed annually and if you fail to renew it which can take months, you are not in compliance and hence can't use the generators.

In India you can not start your own power generation plant and you can sell electricity only to the government. Depending on many situations you have to technically register a separate entity, get licenses as a "power company" then on paper sell the electricity to government and then buy it back from government for your own use.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

My guess is simply, they don't want to fund their own competitors. Microsoft is a direct competitor already (so is Google,) and who knows what Amazon will do. That really only leaves IBM and Oracle. I've always been baffled when someone hosts on their competitors' platform. Like Netflix hosting on AWS, and Grocery Stores hosting on AWS. Microsoft & Google rarely have that problem (except on this one.)

I work primarily with grocery retailers, and this is quite accurate. Almost all of them have told us that they will not use any of our services if they are hosted in AWS. They used to be hesitant, but willing, but once Amazon acquired Whole Foods, it became a deal breaker.

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Amazon has Chime.

Is that another IoT doorbell thing they acquired?

Easy mnemonic, Chime is for when your softphone rings, and Ring is for when your doorbell chimes. Keep it straight.
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