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Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by Barrin92 »

chrisseaton wrote: post #75
cmauniada wrote: post #13

Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

> I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Because Amazon, Microsoft, and Google are competitors to Zoom. Why would you host on your competitor ?!

For starters, because Zoom's decision to go with either of those companies as a cloud supplier isn't going to have any impact on their competition as a conferencing service provider. It's not like Microsoft is going to go broke tomorrow and cancel teams if Zoom goes to Oracle.

More fundamentally because business is cooperative and not like a war, but like a game with many repetitions. So working with your competitors can be mutually beneficial. Business is not a zero-sum game, it's not like two villages in the walking dead going at each other.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by altonzheng »

mav3rick wrote: post #94
searchableguy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wonder what hn has against google. This place sometimes feel like a witch hunt ground

Many of these people will take the high comp jobs at Google. Many of them also openly state they are salty at being rejected in Google interviews.

When I introspected, I realized indeed, all my dislike of Google was, at the root, just saltiness at being rejected :D.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by pmart123 »

redis_mlc wrote: post #82
partiallypro wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My guess is simply, they don't want to fund their own competitors. Microsoft is a direct competitor already (so is Google,) and who knows what Amazon will do. That really only leaves IBM and Oracle. I've always been baffled when someone hosts on their competitors' platform. Like Netflix hosting on AWS, and Grocery Stores hosting on AWS. Microsoft & Google rarely have that problem (except on this one.)

> I've always been baffled when someone hosts on their competitors' platform. Like Netflix hosting on AWS Netflix had a 5-day outage caused by issues with their private DC back in the day. IT mgmt. decided their expertise wasn't in operating DC's, SV real estate was too expensive, and doing multi-region themselves was too expensive. AWS was picked as it was the only viable cloud offering at the time, and the decision…

From my recollection, Netflix started using AWS before Amazon launched Prime Video as well?

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by scott00 »

Some useful context: Zoom also runs 17 of their own data centers in addition to using AWS and Azure[0]. This deal is to run their "expansion" on OCI. Hard to say what that means exactly, but it doesn't sound to me like Zoom is making a big bet on OCI.

[0] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/zoom-cfo-explains-how-the-co...

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by koolba »

ram_rar wrote: post #109

I worked in a startup that was eventually acquired by cisco. We had the same dilemma back then. AWS and GCP were great, but also fairly expensive until you get locked in. Oracles bare metal cloud sweetened the deal soo much, that it was a no brainer to go with them. We were very heavy on using all open source tech stuff, but didnt rely on any cloud service like S3 etc. So the transition was no brainer. If your tech s…

Any clue what the bandwidth cost comparison would be? They’ve got to be chewing through any mortal tier and be on their own level with 100M DAU.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by jedberg »

alpha_squared wrote: post #101
jedberg wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I've heard, the top talent they are hiring are not being allowed to actually do anything useful. They are getting paid to be in the PR. Maybe someone who actually works on Oracle cloud can jump in here and clarify.

> Maybe someone who actually works on Oracle cloud can jump in here and clarify. I'd love to, and I'm sure others would as well, but I'm not sure what can be said that wouldn't run afoul of legal.

The fact that you're afraid of what legal might think of your response says volumes in and of itself.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by outworlder »

partiallypro wrote: post #30
cmauniada wrote: post #13

Why? Is it because of cost? Perhaps nepotism? I don' see a reason why Amazon or Azure would be passed over in favour of Oracle. Why wasn't GCP a contender either? Something seems fishy... someone from Zoom care to chime in? Maybe they are afraid that Amazon or Microsoft with their tradition of copying competition would pose a threat? Even then, Microsoft is already competing using Microsoft Teams and if Amazon wanted…

My guess is simply, they don't want to fund their own competitors. Microsoft is a direct competitor already (so is Google,) and who knows what Amazon will do. That really only leaves IBM and Oracle. I've always been baffled when someone hosts on their competitors' platform. Like Netflix hosting on AWS, and Grocery Stores hosting on AWS. Microsoft & Google rarely have that problem (except on this one.)

> and who knows what Amazon will do.

Amazon already has Chime.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Post by president »

DevKoala wrote: post #54

Do people questioning the intentions of this move, have actual experience using Oracle cloud? It seems that people really eat the marketing that AWS/GCP/Azure are the best cloud provider for every single product. Oracle Cloud's perception is in the gutter, and it's all press. It's very possible that they have a competitive cloud service. They were making some decent offers for talent last time I checked.

Anecdotal but I've worked with developers of Oracle cloud who admitted that it was complete garbage. I also know DevOps people who have taken training for Oracle cloud and AWS and they told me they didn't know why anyone would actually use Oracle cloud.
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