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Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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I have lots of mini projects, so I am game to try it. Any cool things I might want to play with on there?

Try serveless function, how about moving your personal blog and website to always free tier?

One small technical question regarding free tier. As far as I get throttled bandwidth to both network and disk is only limitation. Is it right?

Also I found instances becoming unavailable randomly for no apparent reason so I keep my testing VMs on $5 Hetzner instances.

And yeah no way to run own mail server either because editing of reverse DNS records is not allowed on always-free tier.

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The fact that you're afraid of what legal might think of your response says volumes in and of itself.

Which company employees aren't afraid of what legal might think?

When I worked at Netflix I never worried about what legal might say. I worried about what PR might say, but not legal.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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Some useful context: Zoom also runs 17 of their own data centers in addition to using AWS and Azure[0]. This deal is to run their "expansion" on OCI. Hard to say what that means exactly, but it doesn't sound to me like Zoom is making a big bet on OCI. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/zoom-cfo-explains-how-the-co...

This just doesn't pass the smell test. Running your own data center is a huge capital and operational investment. While there are hundreds of companies world wide that do this, they tend to be core telecommunication companies (infrastructure), dedicated data center operations, dedicate hosting companies or companies with billions in revenue. A google search confirms that they colocate, apparently with Equinix. This i…

For a big company? Not really.

I’ve done big datacenter builds and cloud projects. The cloud projects were usually not a big win from a cost POV in my experience. Financially it’s a tax and marginal unit of capacity play.

Definitely easier to manage at a certain level, especially with variable demand or to accommodate growth.

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Some useful context: Zoom also runs 17 of their own data centers in addition to using AWS and Azure[0]. This deal is to run their "expansion" on OCI. Hard to say what that means exactly, but it doesn't sound to me like Zoom is making a big bet on OCI. [0] https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/18/zoom-cfo-explains-how-the-co...

This just doesn't pass the smell test. Running your own data center is a huge capital and operational investment. While there are hundreds of companies world wide that do this, they tend to be core telecommunication companies (infrastructure), dedicated data center operations, dedicate hosting companies or companies with billions in revenue. A google search confirms that they colocate, apparently with Equinix. This i…

When they say "running a datacenter" they almost certainly mean "buying servers to put into rented colocation space".

Just about anyone who has significant network connectivity has a footprint in an Equinix datacenter. In the Bay Area you want to be in Equinix SV1 or SV5, at 11, and 9 Great Oaks, San Jose.

If you're there, you can order a cross connect to basically any telco you can imagine, and any other large company. You can also get on the Equinix exchange and connect to many more.

But, Equinix charges you a huge premium for this, typically 2 - 3x other providers for space and power. Also they charge about $300 per month per cross connect.

So your network backbone tends to have a POP here, and maybe you put some CDN nodes here, but you don't build out significant compute. It's too expensive.

On the cheaper, but still highish quality end you have companies like CoreSite, and I'm pretty sure AWS has an entire building leased out at the CoreSite SantaClara campus for portions of us-west-1. (Pretty sure because people are always cagey about this kind of thing.)

I also know that Oracle cloud has been well know for taking lots of retail and wholesale datacenter space from the likes of CoreSite, and Digital Reality Trust, because it was faster to get to market. This is compared to purpose build datacenters, which is what the larger players typically do.

In the case of AWS, I know they generally do a leaseback, where they contract with another company who owns the building shell, and then AWS brings in all their own equipment.

But all these players are also going to have some footprint in various retail datacenters like Equinix and CoreSite for the connectivity, and some extra capacity.

Zoom is probably doing a mix of various colocation providers, and just getting the best deal / quality for the given local market they want to have a PoP in. Seems like they are also making Oracle Cloud part of that story.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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This just doesn't pass the smell test. Running your own data center is a huge capital and operational investment. While there are hundreds of companies world wide that do this, they tend to be core telecommunication companies (infrastructure), dedicated data center operations, dedicate hosting companies or companies with billions in revenue. A google search confirms that they colocate, apparently with Equinix. This i…

I would imagine most of that AWS colo is for hybrid cloud products (Direct Connect/Outposts/etc.). It’s obviously possible but seems unlikely they would run an availability zone in a space unless they had complete and exclusive control over the physical plant.

They use exclusive sections of an existing colo provider facilities, often called data suites or data halls at least in Australia, where the 3 AZs are split between numerous commercial colo facilities.

They get enough control through their contracts to make sure the hosting provider provides exactly what they need to spec.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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I worked in a startup that was eventually acquired by cisco. We had the same dilemma back then. AWS and GCP were great, but also fairly expensive until you get locked in. Oracles bare metal cloud sweetened the deal soo much, that it was a no brainer to go with them. We were very heavy on using all open source tech stuff, but didnt rely on any cloud service like S3 etc. So the transition was no brainer. If your tech s…

Most cloud providers, Oracle included, have an S3 compatible object storage API - https://docs.cloud.oracle.com/en-us/iaas/Content/Object/Task... Even the few that don't, you can use something like Minio. I wouldn't consider S3 something that requires lock in.

I agree, but my point being the more tightly your infra is coupled with cloud services. The harder it gets to migrate. aws lambda would be a better example.

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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I worked in a startup that was eventually acquired by cisco. We had the same dilemma back then. AWS and GCP were great, but also fairly expensive until you get locked in. Oracles bare metal cloud sweetened the deal soo much, that it was a no brainer to go with them. We were very heavy on using all open source tech stuff, but didnt rely on any cloud service like S3 etc. So the transition was no brainer. If your tech s…

>AWS and GCP were great, but also fairly expensive once you get locked in. Oracles bare metal cloud sweetened the deal soo much, Until you get locked in.

updated it. Thanks!

Re: Zoom taps Oracle for cloud deal, passing over Amazon, Microsoft

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I would imagine most of that AWS colo is for hybrid cloud products (Direct Connect/Outposts/etc.). It’s obviously possible but seems unlikely they would run an availability zone in a space unless they had complete and exclusive control over the physical plant.

They use exclusive sections of an existing colo provider facilities, often called data suites or data halls at least in Australia, where the 3 AZs are split between numerous commercial colo facilities. They get enough control through their contracts to make sure the hosting provider provides exactly what they need to spec.

Interesting! Thanks for the info!

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This just doesn't pass the smell test. Running your own data center is a huge capital and operational investment. While there are hundreds of companies world wide that do this, they tend to be core telecommunication companies (infrastructure), dedicated data center operations, dedicate hosting companies or companies with billions in revenue. A google search confirms that they colocate, apparently with Equinix. This i…

I would imagine most of that AWS colo is for hybrid cloud products (Direct Connect/Outposts/etc.). It’s obviously possible but seems unlikely they would run an availability zone in a space unless they had complete and exclusive control over the physical plant.

Yeah, you can see the Direct Connect locations here: https://aws.amazon.com/directconnect/features/

Those mean AWS has networking gear in those locations. You order a cross connect and plug into one of their switches.

When you walk around in one of those places, you also typically see racks of AWS gear in a smallish cage with lots of hard drives. Typically a CDN pop.

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post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would imagine most of that AWS colo is for hybrid cloud products (Direct Connect/Outposts/etc.). It’s obviously possible but seems unlikely they would run an availability zone in a space unless they had complete and exclusive control over the physical plant.

They use exclusive sections of an existing colo provider facilities, often called data suites or data halls at least in Australia, where the 3 AZs are split between numerous commercial colo facilities. They get enough control through their contracts to make sure the hosting provider provides exactly what they need to spec.

Yeah, this is correct. You usually buy these in minimum sizes of about 1MW.
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