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Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by microtonal »

computerex wrote: post #125
microtonal wrote: post #97

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Apple lacks this feedback loop, and their drivers are garbage. There may be exceptions, but I never had anything like the graphics glitching that the Nouveau drivers had or known problems that would lock up Intel GPUs every one 1-2 days or consistently in some workloads [1], or broken Intel WiFi drivers. The recent Intel driver problems literally took months 4-5 months to fix, while they show-stopping errors were in…

It goes without saying that OSX has the worst driver support out of Windows/Linux/OSX simply because OSX supports the smallest range of devices it will run on. Windows runs on hardware from a wide range of OEM's, whereas OSX only supports hardware produced by Apple. Try running a hackintosh and you'll very quickly see what I mean. Linux driver support used to be garbage but it has gotten quite good lately. User frien…

Now we have gone from macOS drivers are garbage to macOS has the worst driver support. Which is a completely different statement. Also it's one that is hard to disagree with -- macOS is only made to run on Macs.

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by teleforce »

reaperducer wrote: post #68
Dunedan wrote: post #6

I used MacBooks with Linux starting in 2006 till the end of last year. That's when I finally gave up. I really love the hardware Apple produces, but we're at a point where I believe it's not feasible anymore to use Linux on MacBooks. For the MacBook Pros 2016 and up I put significant effort into trying to get mainline Linux running as smoothly as possible by documenting and coordinating the efforts to have drivers fo…

I envy your knowledge and ambition. What you've done is beyond my capabilities. But I think the crux of the problem is that people are trying to run commodity software on custom hardware. That just won't work long-term. Linux is commodity software, that runs great on white box commodity hardware. macOS is custom software that runs great on custom hardware. Each has its place and purpose. It's like driving a car on tr…

The days of globalised custom hardware are numbered. Most of the hardware that are used to be customised as we know then, are actually now a commodity. For example, networking vendors always custom made (i.e. ASIC) their networking hardware especially their high end flagship products but not anymore [1]. Most of them now are just targeting commodity hardware since in the long run customization is not technically and economically feasible at the global scale.

[1] https://www.nextplatform.com/2018/06/20/a-deep-dive-into-cis...

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by sdrothrock »

verisimilitude wrote: post #81
sdrothrock wrote: post #18

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Just a warning: Virtualbox with hard drive files on an external USB hard disk has been broken for me on Catalina on my both of my Mac Minis (late 2012, 2018) and iMacs (late 2012, mid 2017). That particular functionality worked fine on Mojave. It works fine as long as I keep my VDI files on my system drive, but that can be a pain since they're so large.

External VDIs -- that's exactly my use-case, but I've stayed back on Mojave. Any bug page I should follow to see if this gets resolved for Catalina?

I'm not sure, honestly; there used to be a really long forum thread with random hacks that helped some (but not all) people and there were apparently a lot of conflated bugs that confused the whole thing, so I stopped trying to follow it and gave up.

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by bitwize »

thomaslord wrote: post #165
bitwize wrote: post #141

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Middle-click paste is one of X's many usability fails, especially since it's a convention adopted by no other UI. All the rest assume a max of 2 essential buttons. Command-C and Command-V are just so much better. Learn to love them.

I don't know the implementation details behind this, but it also seems to me that Ctrl-C/Ctrl-V has a separate clipboard while middle-click-to-paste pastes whatever is selected. Makes no sense to me but I've tried to Ctrl-C / middle click and had issues before. Just one more thing that makes it worse.

On X, yes. Which makes X usability even more of a pain in the ass.

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by readwind »

inanutshellus wrote: post #103
readwind wrote: post #63

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You'll get more "SCSI" when you buy macs, if you're a poser, at least, or a signaller, is probably more polite. 'You' is general of course, but, I think this is how it works. You'll be rolling in the SCSI with a mac, or if you plan to hang out with lots of bald men with the Steve Jobs kind of spiel, or something. I'd guess this is how it works. If any of those things are your thing, you should go for the mac, man. Bu…

I too used to be a anti-snob snob, sneering at Apple-buyers buying into a clique. Then work gave me a Mac. Suddenly I had a Linux machine without the headaches. It took me about 6 months to get used to the OS, but by then I loved it and bought one for the house. I now have a Linux machine at work and am spending my weekend upgrading the operating system because my video card goes insane and it takes me 3 days of fidd…

We are stepping on each others toes; the initial OP or Grand-poster or whatever was about installing Ubuntu on a Mac, and that was the context I was replying into. So whatever. The OSX thing is great, for whoever it fits to, it is surely better than windows, W10.x and, etc, but, whatever, gp, grand parent, was talking about ubuntuin'g a mac, so what's his point. I get your point, about being all about the macs, but, this is an Ubuntu insertion. From his side. (((Arch by the way.))) Yeah enjoy your OSX. You've deserved it. And let's go on our ways. Or Rust on our ways, since the Go language is a piece of shit anyways. I use Rust. Since Go is a piece of shit, I mean.

I've upvoted your comment since we've clearly misunderstood each other. I don't think we're at disparity, the bloke tried to install Ubuntu on a mac after all. It's all good.

Re: Install Ubuntu 20.04 LTS on MacBookPro14,1

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Post by readwind »

inanutshellus wrote: post #47
aguyfromnb wrote: post #36

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> You directly implied that people are buying Apple products for the logo. Apple makes kick-ass machines, but I see Macbook Pros everywhere . How many people in the real world need a $2000+ computer? If these people aren't buying it for the logo, what are they buying it for? Apple has positioned themselves as a lifestyle brand. How can you deny that?

One counterpoint - Trust in quality. I'm looking at buying a laptop right now and I can either buy an apple MBP ... OR a MONSTER laptop with much better specs for the same-or-less price. I'm hand-wringing over it. With past laptops I've only been disappointed by the non-Apple laptops I've had. Bad ram, bad battery, bad battery again, bad battery AGAIN, slow-for-hardware-misfiring issues... or the Apple that has been…

Now that we are friends again, I don't know how that happened, get a PC ________________PC____________________- don't pay for the mac shit, especially now, "enjoy your tardboard," etc, cant you get girls or boys without the apple symbol? I guess the answer is clear get a GOOOD lappie, Thinkcrust whatever, who care, I only use shit lappies, since I earn like hell, whatever I type on, but MAcs, I only used them around when Vista came out.

I love you man. If you ask about the price you can't afford it. Rest of us just pick a $400 lappie and earn.

No matter how much we are worth. And you're worth everything. So consider. EDIT: downvoted as hell as people are apparently paying-down their mac-"pc's", or why would they. Learn to use a computer to get paid and then the mac pc debates goes to hell

I have one pc laptop from 2006 2007 I earn tons of money on it, even thoug most work is remote SSH etc Hetzner, etc, server-sales, but, and I have another one from 2014 I believe, both money earners. But it's all remote. I make money

Tons of money. No debts no downpayments. Tons of money.

I guess they both cost about hummmm $400 since the oldest one was free. All running Arch Linux. Enjoy your MAc, it will take you 11-12 years to pay it down. The end.

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