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Re: Why Silicon Valley Immigrant Entrepreneurs Are Returning Home

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I don't get why so many people are attacking Vivek. Step back from trying to eval() every single tiny detail to death. The bigger point here is that he is helping shine a light on a huuuuuge pain for immigrant founders in the US that hasn't gotten much attention (or a solution), all this while. Why is that a bad thing? The DEA has been cracking down on druggies since forever, and it's been beating the same drum ever…

Your stance seems to be that, because Vivek's piece agrees with you on a topic you feel strongly about, it doesn't matter if it's a lousy article that fails to make the point effectively. But you of all people should care about the article's ability to convince people who aren't already on board with your "bigger point." It's a bad thing because you do a disservice to your cause when you let people off the hook for m…

Your point is perfectly valid, and maybe I should be harder on Vivek to make him better and what he is doing, because it's supposedly self-serving (although I should point out that I'm hardly a beneficiary of any such gains now, since I have already got past that immigration hurdle, as I have already mentioned above).

You're accusing me of siding with him because I agree with his point. When was the last time you sided with someone you didn't agree with?

That aside, you've dragged me down into debating a point smaller than the big picture I've just pointed. But I'll entertain you.

Again. We have a big problem. Only people with power to fix it can fix it. These people aren't doing anything. We need to get their attention. To get their attention, we need both "quantity" (more people saying it) and "quality" (sell the case better). You're arguing that I'm soft on the latter.

Sure, everything in life could be better. Just 1 more penny to my stock option price. Just one CSS tweak before I won't be embarrassed to show the public my prototype. The perfection argument means people don't ship.

Right now, we need more quantity. All these attacks on Vivek is hardly encouraging to the masses that reads it to also voice up and help with quantity. I'm not saying quality is not necessary. I'm pointing out that people are so focused on nitpicking on the finer details, but I don't see them getting of their lazy asses and doing anything about it that's actually moves the needle.

It's so easy being an arm-chair analyst. Let's see the naysayers do better than Vivek. Don't just say it - prove it. All this bickering don't do shit. Show me the money. Like in startups, everything's an assumption/hypothesis until you prove it.

Re: Why Silicon Valley Immigrant Entrepreneurs Are Returning Home

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Why I left my country (USA)to become an immigrant in Vienna Austria. Indeed, why would anyone leave their home for new laws, different language, different foods, different social customs. The very same reason both my great grandfathers left Ireland to come to America, opportunity, and a better way of life! Our family are all US born citizens. I am a registered republican, highly educated, and have founded 2 successfu…

While not feeling as strongly about the state of the US as you, I am in a position to and will likely end up emigrating in the next few years to one of the countries you have mentioned. Health care, quality of life, etc. will all play into the decision. As far as immigration policies in the US? I do think things are pretty f'd up. However, I don't think "throwing open the doors" is the actual option. We do need to en…

The idea of throwing open the doors, was to ensure a truly competitive playing field for Americans and Immigrants alike.

If an Immigrant, and an American have to be paid equally, work the same hours, have the same benefits and rights, then the immigrant is no longer at a disadvantage, as he currently is a legal slave, with no rights, under H1-B.

Re: Why Silicon Valley Immigrant Entrepreneurs Are Returning Home

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Why I left my country (USA)to become an immigrant in Vienna Austria. Indeed, why would anyone leave their home for new laws, different language, different foods, different social customs. The very same reason both my great grandfathers left Ireland to come to America, opportunity, and a better way of life! Our family are all US born citizens. I am a registered republican, highly educated, and have founded 2 successfu…

France labour laws are pretty bad. It basically shuts out the young because once you hire a french worker, it's hell and high water to fire them. Unemployment is at %9.6 right now and %25 for youth. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03... http://www.icsb.org/documents/FranceYouthUnemployment.pdf

France does not have a competitive labor market, that is for certain! However 9.6% is a low rate of unemployment for France historically.

Re: Why Silicon Valley Immigrant Entrepreneurs Are Returning Home

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Yet another Vivek Wadhwa story with his same pet theme. Here is my question: is there any Vivek Wadhwa story on this issue in which he shows detailed figures for NET immigration flows into and out of the United States in comparison to countries like China and India? Or does he consistently do as I have seen him do here and in other stories, relating individual anecdotes and asserting the existence of a problem (too f…

in which he shows detailed figures for NET immigration flows into and out of the United States in comparison to countries like China and India? Funny, I was just coming to the comments page to say exactly this. The linked post is conspicuous for its lack of words like "study" or "statistics." Talking to a couple of random people does not qualify a trend that stretches to millions of people. It's pretty obvious that t…

That's the thing, it doesn't have to affect a lot of people to be a big problem. Founders are pretty valuable, keeping even a small number of them out with artificial barriers is bad thing, since the alternative (letting them in) does not seem that daunting (unless you fear foreign founders for some reason).

Re: Why Silicon Valley Immigrant Entrepreneurs Are Returning Home

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Huh? This sounds totally wrong to me. The UK and Germany, the two strongest EU startup countries, both already have founders visas and there's nothing special about a foreigner owning shares in a Ltd or GmbH, the respective equivalents of a US incorporation. Also, in my experience, founding a UK Ltd is even easier than doing a US Inc if for no other reason than that you don't have to deal with both federal and state…

I have several degreed acquaintances who were ejected from the UK and EU. I'm married to someone who immigrated to Switzerland for work. The impression from people I know is that it's not particularly easy to move to Europe from the US. I'm not sure what you mean by state / fed institutions, unless you mean that you have to pay both state and federal income tax (... but so does everyone, whether or not they own a com…

Switzerland has a very restrictive immigration policy compared to other European countries.

Re: Why Silicon Valley Immigrant Entrepreneurs Are Returning Home

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>They mistakenly believe that skilled immigrants take American jobs away. The opposite is true: skilled immigrants start the majority of Silicon Valley startups; they create jobs.

This is relevant only if you assume that no native would have started a competing startup.

Re: Why Silicon Valley Immigrant Entrepreneurs Are Returning Home

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I have several degreed acquaintances who were ejected from the UK and EU. I'm married to someone who immigrated to Switzerland for work. The impression from people I know is that it's not particularly easy to move to Europe from the US. I'm not sure what you mean by state / fed institutions, unless you mean that you have to pay both state and federal income tax (... but so does everyone, whether or not they own a com…

Switzerland has a very restrictive immigration policy compared to other European countries.

Erin wasn't ejected from Switzerland; the most recent ejection instance happened to an acquaintance living in London.

Re: Why Silicon Valley Immigrant Entrepreneurs Are Returning Home

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Your stance seems to be that, because Vivek's piece agrees with you on a topic you feel strongly about, it doesn't matter if it's a lousy article that fails to make the point effectively. But you of all people should care about the article's ability to convince people who aren't already on board with your "bigger point." It's a bad thing because you do a disservice to your cause when you let people off the hook for m…

Your point is perfectly valid, and maybe I should be harder on Vivek to make him better and what he is doing, because it's supposedly self-serving (although I should point out that I'm hardly a beneficiary of any such gains now, since I have already got past that immigration hurdle, as I have already mentioned above). You're accusing me of siding with him because I agree with his point. When was the last time you sid…

I think you misunderstand. My point is exactly the point you're making in the last paragraph: Everything is speculation until you prove it, and this article does not prove much of anything. I'm not the one claiming that we have "a big problem," so I have nothing to prove. If you want to see change, it's up to folks like you and Vivek to show the rest of us the money.

I don't mean to sound hostile or bicker. I'm just saying, this is how influencing people works. If you want people to believe something, you need to convince them, not count on them to convince themselves. If your argument is unconvincing, it's in your interest to fix that, not berate people for noticing its weaknesses. Think of it like selling investors on your startup.

If you want to change things, making a strong case that convinces people they need to invest in your cause is probably a more efficient route than fumbling in front of a greater number of VCs. With a few exceptions, people who stand on street corners shouting things that they can't prove tend to destroy their credibility.

Re: Why Silicon Valley Immigrant Entrepreneurs Are Returning Home

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>I waited 11 years, if it makes you feel better. And yes, I do know the difference between then and now. And you know why it's worse now? Because the demand is much higher! So, despite the INS's dickitude and the so-called "broken" immigration policies, MORE people are wanting to come here. Are you saying that just because people faced hardship earlier, it shouldn't be made easier now? If anything, the numbers show t…

You seem to be arguing two orthogonal points here. On the one hand, you're saying that America's future will suffer dire consequences if the immigration system is not fixed. On the other hand, you're saying it is such a hardship that people have to go back when their visas expire, things are tough for immigrants, etc. Just step back a little and think rationally a little. If things are so bad, then why _are_ people t…

> If things are so bad, then why _are_ people trying so hard to get in? Do you see long lines outside the Chinese embassy? The Indian embassy?

I really, really hate this line of argument. "Oh the US is so great that everyone wants to be here! Do you see these kind of lines to get into North Korea?", well obviously not. I think you'll find similar lines to get into western Europe though. Why do you feel compelled to compare the US to 3rd world countries?

Re: Why Silicon Valley Immigrant Entrepreneurs Are Returning Home

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15-year US resident here. Got my Green Card after 7 years. Was transferred to London and came back to US as Multi-National Manager. Got my GC within 6 months of application (i.e applied after 6.5 years) .

One thing I want to share is that, if you wanted to start a company on H1 / L1, it is fine and there are very few restrictions. You might have to do it part time and declare it to your employer and INS, and you cannot sponsor your own GC etc.

And how many H1 / L1 holders really want to start a company on their own? I doubt if the numbers are sizeable.

Even if you are raving to start a company tomorrow on a H1 / L1, what is the problem with tying up with a local GC or Citizen and register a company?

I am not being cheeky, just trying to understand where the pain points are.

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