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Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by draw_down »

NaOH wrote: post #68

I use both styles of iPhones, an XS as my phone and a 6S as my at-work iPod and device for random moments of RSS-type surfing. I am not a heavy or advanced user. My preference is unquestionably toward the 6S style of size and operation. FaceID on the XS is great when wet fingers are an issue (often for me at work) and for in-app password authentications. All told, I prefer the one-handed usability of the smaller 6S a…

Come on, it's a site for Apple enthusiasts, and it's written accordingly. If you're not interested in that, pretty easy to avoid. If you want speeds and feeds and checklists, those are available on a million websites.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by bluntfang »

plorkyeran wrote: post #268
bluntfang wrote: post #246

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>the rounded edges that make it even harder to grip one-handed. Do people really not use a case with their phones? edit: Can anyone explain the downvotes? is this a bad question?

Why would I want to make my already too large phone even bigger by adding a case?

because it breaks when you drop it? it provides a gripped texture so that it's easier to hold on to?

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by readyp1 »

unethical_ban wrote: post #265
aidenn0 wrote: post #261

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How did I not know about this? I just replaced my phone, so I can't really justify the switch, but that is almost exactly the phone I want! My only nitpick would be 32GB storage seems insufficient since android takes multiple GB of that and music collections plus a few apps will use up the rest quite quickly. [edit] On My phone "System" is listed as 11 GB, other google apps add up to another couple GB, and my music c…

I just learned about it, too. Your complaint doesn't jive with the purpose of the device: A communication device. It makes specific points to say that it is meant for those who don't want the phone to be a distraction. I don't recall the camera specs, but I can't imagine it's good by 2020 standards. Music, sure - it seems like the right size for a good MP3 player (remember that term, kids?) I like the idea of a palm…

Depending on your carrier, you could do this without swapping SIMs -- as far as I know, all of the Big Three in the US (Verizon, T-Mobile, AT&T) all have "number-sharing" programs normally reserved for things like smartwatches. In fact, Palm specifically advertises that they work with Verizon and T-Mobile, and proposes alternatives for other networks (https://palm.com/pages/companion). If you're serious about this, it sounds worth looking into!

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by foresto »

iso947 wrote: post #153
foresto wrote: post #118

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I think the Samsung Galaxy S10e is the closest current model. It's not as small as I would like, but it's at least a sane size.

It’s 70mm wide, same as the new SE The old SE that I’m currently using in 58.6mm Neither google or android serve this market.

If you care about width and not height, keep an eye out for new Xperia models. I think I remember some speculation that one of them (Xperia PRO?) might be unusually narrow.

> Neither google or android serve this market.

Agreed. I miss my Xperia Mini Pro.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by skavi »

FrankBooth wrote: post #183
skavi wrote: post #92

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Each A13 Lightning core has around 2.5x the transistors of a Skylake core. The Skylake design is also 5 years old and on a node at least a generation out of date. Geekbench is also a short enough test that thermals aren’t a huge concern.

Where are you getting the per-core transistor counts from?

It’s a very rough estimation. Basically ((core + L2 area)/(total die area))(Total transistors on die).

For A13 with unified L2, I used L2 per core.

Of course, transistor density isn’t consistent across the chip, but this should be good enough for the relative comparison I’ve done.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by ubercow13 »

chongli wrote: post #262
ubercow13 wrote: post #204

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>rounded edges that make it even harder to grip one-handed I don't get this criticism - I owned a 5 series iPhone and the anodized finish was anything but easy to grip. It looked nice but massively reduced the friction between your hand and the surface, making it the easiest phone to drop that I have ever held. Their lightness didn't help either. Conversely the newer iPhones with glass backs stick to your skin almost…

What climate do you live in? I live in the north (Canada) and during the winter my skin gets very dry. The glass and metal of recent iPhones feels extremely slippery to my dry skin. I use a rubberized case which makes the phone much more grippable, at the cost of even more bulk. I really want a small, lightweight, grippable iPhone.

This was in the UK so not very humid. Interesting that everyone's experience is so different. I just dried my hand and holding it flat with my XS placed on top, I can tilt it to about 15-20 degrees off vertical before it starts slipping off!

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by skavi »

jdsully wrote: post #220
skavi wrote: post #92

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Each A13 Lightning core has around 2.5x the transistors of a Skylake core. The Skylake design is also 5 years old and on a node at least a generation out of date. Geekbench is also a short enough test that thermals aren’t a huge concern.

Yes but AMD is on a much newer node and still only achieves a very slight improvement in IPC nowhere near >2x these benchmarks imply.

Zen 2 is much more economical in its core area. Lighting cores likely have around 2x the transistors.

Also, and I’m not sure how big of a deal this is, but Zen 2 is the 2nd gen of a practically new arch. Lighting has a lineage of at least 6 generations.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by edmundsauto »

mihaaly wrote: post #191
m12k wrote: post #126

Compared to my first gen SE, I'd like the faster processor, better camera and better battery life. But I'm not sure I'm willing to go up in size and weight, and get the rounded edges that make it even harder to grip one-handed. For me, a bigger screen isn't a plus - after years of following the trend and being on my phone more and more, I managed to kick the habit and I'm very happy that my phone has now found its ri…

The slightly bigger body I could accommodate, the rounded edges are f* ugly but can handle that too if I must, even the dumb protruding camera may not repel me if I meditate enough but not having audio connection without some kind of adapter or adapters - considering the various use cases - is just incomprehensibly idiotic. I will never ever go for such. I rather have a granny-phone and paper+pen address book, relear…

So, just don't buy it? I dunno what to tell you -- it sounds like a lot of your identity and mental health is wrapped up in what Apple's product people want to develop.

Personally, I would never want to go back to the crappy headphone connectors. The connector always wore out on me. So while I understand why you might want a headphone port (and some people likely want an in-built parallel or ADB2 port), it's hyperbolic to call it "utter madness and gross incompetence".

In reality, it's just someone having different values than you. Why is that so difficult to accept for some people?

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by edmundsauto »

encom wrote: post #201
mihaaly wrote: post #191

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The slightly bigger body I could accommodate, the rounded edges are f* ugly but can handle that too if I must, even the dumb protruding camera may not repel me if I meditate enough but not having audio connection without some kind of adapter or adapters - considering the various use cases - is just incomprehensibly idiotic. I will never ever go for such. I rather have a granny-phone and paper+pen address book, relear…

Just the very idea of installing firmware updates on a set of headphones is completely bizarre.

We live in an age where cars reboot while driving (Tesla). It's bizarre because we never experienced it before.

But the additional flexibility offered via software updates is the core power of software. Where we are able to replace hardware with software functionality, there's additional flexibility for improvement and iteration. That's a valuable add.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by aidenn0 »

unethical_ban wrote: post #265
aidenn0 wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did I not know about this? I just replaced my phone, so I can't really justify the switch, but that is almost exactly the phone I want! My only nitpick would be 32GB storage seems insufficient since android takes multiple GB of that and music collections plus a few apps will use up the rest quite quickly. [edit] On My phone "System" is listed as 11 GB, other google apps add up to another couple GB, and my music c…

I just learned about it, too. Your complaint doesn't jive with the purpose of the device: A communication device. It makes specific points to say that it is meant for those who don't want the phone to be a distraction. I don't recall the camera specs, but I can't imagine it's good by 2020 standards. Music, sure - it seems like the right size for a good MP3 player (remember that term, kids?) I like the idea of a palm…

> Music, sure - it seems like the right size for a good MP3 player (remember that term, kids?)

I own a sansa clip plus. It has a 32GB microSD card in it. An out-of-the-box storage of about 20GB would make the Palm phone a downgrade from my MP3 player.

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