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Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by robin_reala »

CDSlice wrote: post #112
vernon99 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check Palm Phone

With a terrible camera and horrendous battery life I’m not sure I’d call the Palm Phone “decent.” https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/palm-phone

The review states Android 8.1. The current site says Android 8.1[1] The updates section of the FAQ only talks about Google Play updates.[2] That’s not good enough for me.

[1] https://palm.com/pages/product#s-a7c5360d-c3db-4c91-bb73-841...

[2] https://palmsupport.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/3600181853...

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by 1996 »

vernon99 wrote: post #99
robin_reala wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, apart from a decent Android phone with a small screen.

Check Palm Phone

no NFC, which I need for work

no Qi wireless, which is really problematic with a 4h battery life.

Still, I ordered got one to play with and evaluate the form factor, in the hope the next version will have both NFC and Qi

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by gofreddygo »

pb7 wrote: post #15
jachee wrote: post #9

This is exactly the phone my wife wants to upgrade from her showing-its-age, 5-year-old 6S. It'll fit into her existing case. It's not too big. It's affordable. It still has a home button. She's hardly a power user, so this might be the one phone she gets for the next five year, too.

>It still has a home button. Why is this a benefit? The removal of the home button might have been the best thing since the home button itself. The gesture that replaced is an order of magnitude better.

> is an order of magnitude better.

No. Its not.

Theres one true way to press a button. Not the same with gestures.

I'd be happy if they put 4 buttons in a row there. But I can live with one too.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by xxs »

ip26 wrote: post #31
Thorentis wrote: post #6

Those benchmarks are impressive. iPhone SE beating the 2019 MBP in single core performance? That's fantastic! I wish I could comment on or know what he was talking about with the iPhone X vs "old iPhone" interaction paradigm. I personally thought the "single button" hardware interface was an incredible innovation that changed everything. Even Android relies on it. My Galaxy S9+ has a "software home button" (like most…

Something has got to be screwy. The iPhone has a TDP of 6W and a clock speed of 2.5GHz. The MBP has boost clocks of 5GHz and a 45W TDP.

Something to consider Intel's TDP is given at base clock - boost is irrelevant (i.e. they skew the facts the CPUs are way more toasty than TDP). Increasing the frequency requires more voltage, power is proportional to frequency and square of the voltage.

Other than that - x86 cores (skylake) are generally more powerful per clock than any Arm.

I'd not trust geekbench a bit between different platforms. for example:

The LZMA workload compresses and decompresses a 2399KB HTML ebook using the LZMA compression algorithm with a dictionary size of 2048KB. The workload uses the LZMA SDK for the implementation of the core LZMA algorithm. The test effectively is about L2/3 cache sizes, if it fits there - great result, if not - a horrid one.

Most of the testing lacks any specific data, just what library they use.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by gofreddygo »

gofreddygo wrote: post #117

Yeah whatever. One thing all the iPhone SE reviews from the pundits I've read miss is how Apple, mighty Apple, with all it's brand loyalty and design excellence was forced by the market to take a stable version of the design and release it for a third of the cost of its flagship. Reasons? * iPhone sales have been dropping consistently. * No new gimmick to drive flagship price higher. * Economy is heading to the dumps…

Downvote with no reply? Lazy.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by m12k »

Compared to my first gen SE, I'd like the faster processor, better camera and better battery life. But I'm not sure I'm willing to go up in size and weight, and get the rounded edges that make it even harder to grip one-handed.

For me, a bigger screen isn't a plus - after years of following the trend and being on my phone more and more, I managed to kick the habit and I'm very happy that my phone has now found its rightful place as a utility when I'm off my computer, rather than as a primary computer. I use it for maps, e-tickets, answering the occasional im. But it's not as convenient as my computer, it's not for leisurely browsing or media consumption, and I don't want it to be - it means that when I'm off my computer, I'm really off.

So this push toward bigger screens runs counter to what I want a phone to be for me. A bigger screen invites you to grab it with both hands. A bigger screen invites you to watch more stuff on it, watch movies, browse reddit and whatnot. I don't want any of that, I'd in fact prefer if it wasn't good at that, just like I don't want more sugar in my food.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by gordon_freeman »

> "What this source told me is that while developing the iPhone X, members of the team would typically carry two phones with them: a prototype iPhone X they could use, but (of course) not while in the presence of anyone who wasn’t disclosed on the project, and an older iPhone they could use in front of anyone. These team members would spend time, every day, using both phones. They knew they were onto a winning idea with the new interaction design for the iPhone X when they started instinctively using the X-style gestures on the older iPhone, and never vice versa. When a new design is clearly better than an old one, it’s a one-way street mentally."

Gives some insights into how Apple designers think about UX! Pretty cool!

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by jader201 »

gofreddygo wrote: post #123
pb7 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It still has a home button. Why is this a benefit? The removal of the home button might have been the best thing since the home button itself. The gesture that replaced is an order of magnitude better.

> is an order of magnitude better. No. Its not. Theres one true way to press a button. Not the same with gestures. I'd be happy if they put 4 buttons in a row there. But I can live with one too.

I thought the same thing. Until I got an XS. Then was annoyed while I figured out the gestures.

Now anytime I have to use a phone with a home button, it’s painful. Things are a lot easier now in ways I didn’t realize until I got used to them.

I’m assuming you don’t use an iPhone without a home button. If you did and got used to it, I don’t think there’s any way you’d want to go back. (I’ve yet to hear anyone say they wish the home button would come back after getting used to not having one.)

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by spupy »

JonathonW wrote: post #36
mbesto wrote: post #18

> Once you get used to the post-iPhone-X interaction model, there’s no going back. A week with the new SE has not shaken my belief that the X-style interaction design is superior. Not one iota. I have an iPhone 8 (TouchID) and an iPad Pro (FaceID) and personally the multi-tasking gestures are ridiculously inferior to the home button. FaceID is nice (ApplePay, unlocking, etc) but switching to another app (multi-taskin…

I don’t find getting into the multitasking switcher meaningfully harder on the newer devices— it’s just a swipe-up-and-hold gesture, which I’ll occasionally time wrong and end up at the home screen, but not often enough to be “painful” (and it’s just another swipe away if I do mess up). What is vastly better on the X-series devices, though, is switching between your two or three most recent apps. Just swipe left and…

> What is vastly better on the X-series devices, though, is switching between your two or three most recent apps. Just swipe left and right at the bottom of the screen (on the bar)— this lets you flip between apps in the order that they’re in the switcher.

That gesture works on iPads as well. Start with a slight updward swipe and go sideways.

Also try four finger pinch and four finger left/right swipe.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by jader201 »

gofreddygo wrote: post #125
gofreddygo wrote: post #117

Yeah whatever. One thing all the iPhone SE reviews from the pundits I've read miss is how Apple, mighty Apple, with all it's brand loyalty and design excellence was forced by the market to take a stable version of the design and release it for a third of the cost of its flagship. Reasons? * iPhone sales have been dropping consistently. * No new gimmick to drive flagship price higher. * Economy is heading to the dumps…

Downvote with no reply? Lazy.

I didn’t downvote you, but I’d imagine one reason is due to your claim of “iPhone sales consistently dropping” without backing it up.

Here’s data to back up the opposite is true:

https://www.macrumors.com/2020/01/28/apple-1q-2020-results

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