The 2020 iPhone SE • Hacker News Board

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by pb7 » Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 4:45 AM UTC

freepor wrote: post #61

pb7 wrote: post #55

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Citation? This is bullshit.

It puts more strain on the tendon which is what ends up getting injured first. If you have both types of phones go do each one 1000 times in 20 minutes each on separate days. See how your hand feels after each one.

You're doing the same motion for both cases, except with one you're pressing down tightening your hand, and the other you put your thumb back to where it was before with minimal pressure. I don't believe what you're claiming.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by robin_reala » Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 4:46 AM UTC

ehsankia wrote: post #46

elliekelly wrote: post #20

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> It's cool that Apple made a cheap phone, but what I actually wanted was a small phone and price wasn't that relevant. I’d like to shout this from the rooftops. All I want is an iPhone I can comfortably use with one hand whether it’s $400 or $1400

To be fair, different people wanted different things. Some care about cheaper way inside the walled garden, some clanged into their SE for the small size, others keep their old iPhone for the headphone jack, and so on. To me, this has always been the issue with that ecosystem. If the one or two devices Apple makes fits your preferences, then that's awesome. Otherwise, you're shit outta luck. With Android, there's pho…

Well, apart from a decent Android phone with a small screen.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by saagarjha » Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 4:47 AM UTC

riffraff wrote: post #59

noncoml wrote: post #7

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Fun fact: iPhone's buttons are not mechanical buttons starting with iPhone 7. The click you feel when you press it is just the taptic engine. If you have an iPhone 7 or 8, try turning it off and try to press the button.

I knew this was true, as you can't click it when battery is off, but I still don't get it: how does it work, and why?

Good haptics.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by saagarjha » Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 4:48 AM UTC

memco wrote: post #33

paxys wrote: post #8

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You can also adjust the "clickiness" of the button from your phone settings, which is amazing.

Took me a while to realize this also applies to the magic trackpad and integrated trackpad on macbooks, but it is nice to be able to customize it. The trackpads even have two clicks the second being a "deep" click which requires even more pressure than a regular click.

The trackpads actually have an “infinite” number of clicks. Try it on the seeking buttons in QuickTime or IINA.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by kitotik » Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 4:49 AM UTC

millstone wrote: post #53

kitotik wrote: post #10

> a $400 iPhone SE bests a > $3,000 top-of-the-line > MacBook Pro in single-core > CPU performance. Whenever I see these sorts of benchmarks, it just makes me focus on how much iOS is the limiting factor of these devices.

There's an echo of early 2000s here. The PowerPC G5 and mobile G4s were humiliated by x86, but the faithful (myself included) clung on because of OS X's strengths over Windows. Now Apple's CPUs are humiliating Intel, and yet again I stick with a Mac because of macOS's strengths over iOS.

Haha! Well put.

I was/am in the exact same boat. I still have a fantasy that someday they will release some sort of “pro developer” edition of iOS with a proper terminal emulator and normal file system access. One can dream.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by saagarjha » Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 4:49 AM UTC

freepor wrote: post #54

p1necone wrote: post #47

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It's baffling because top end x86 CPUs consume significantly more power and run at significantly higher clock speeds. If these benchmarks are actually valid it suggests that we might see ARM ousting x86 on the desktop too sooner rather than later, which would be massive considering PCs have been x86 based for about 4 decades.

But relatively few desktop computing applications are single threaded.

On the contrary, I think far too many are.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by JohnJamesRambo » Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 4:50 AM UTC

I still wish they hadn't made it so big. I use my iPhone SE because it isn't the size of an iPhone 8.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by saagarjha » Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 4:51 AM UTC

p1necone wrote: post #22

Thorentis wrote: post #6

Those benchmarks are impressive. iPhone SE beating the 2019 MBP in single core performance? That's fantastic! I wish I could comment on or know what he was talking about with the iPhone X vs "old iPhone" interaction paradigm. I personally thought the "single button" hardware interface was an incredible innovation that changed everything. Even Android relies on it. My Galaxy S9+ has a "software home button" (like most…

I wonder how comparable Geekbench actually is across different CPU architectures and operating systems though? Linus Torvalds is quoted here: https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=185109&curpost... as saying that Geekbench 4.0 shouldn't be treated as a valid comparison between desktops/laptops and phones. (However this review used Geekbench 5.0 - not sure what differences there are).

Most things on iOS tend to be dynamically linked these days.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by c0nducktr » Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 4:52 AM UTC

pb7 wrote: post #15

jachee wrote: post #9

This is exactly the phone my wife wants to upgrade from her showing-its-age, 5-year-old 6S. It'll fit into her existing case. It's not too big. It's affordable. It still has a home button. She's hardly a power user, so this might be the one phone she gets for the next five year, too.

>It still has a home button. Why is this a benefit? The removal of the home button might have been the best thing since the home button itself. The gesture that replaced is an order of magnitude better.

FaceID doesn't work when I'm using my phone in bed. I lie on my side, and can't unlock my phone.

Maybe that's weird, but it's something that I've been frustrated with every single day since upgrading from the 6s.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by saagarjha » Thu, Apr 23, 2020, 4:52 AM UTC

freepor wrote: post #52

The most annoying part of Apple is that they make excellent products but their "fandom" talks about the appearance of the computer for the first good chunk of the review.

Part of the appeal of an Apple product is how it looks.