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Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by perl4ever »

labster wrote: post #13

I don't really see his attempts to use the new gestures on the old-design iPhone as proof that the new UI is better. People still tell me to "tape" long after it was obvious that DVRs are better. It's simply muscle memory. Still not sure that this my next phone though, probably going to stick with the old school SE. I had asked work for an upgrade, got the giant XR, and after five days put it right back in the box an…

"The new SE/2"

Now I'm wondering if anyone ever made a Mac SE/30 run OS/2.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by berti »

p1necone wrote: post #22
Thorentis wrote: post #6

Those benchmarks are impressive. iPhone SE beating the 2019 MBP in single core performance? That's fantastic! I wish I could comment on or know what he was talking about with the iPhone X vs "old iPhone" interaction paradigm. I personally thought the "single button" hardware interface was an incredible innovation that changed everything. Even Android relies on it. My Galaxy S9+ has a "software home button" (like most…

I wonder how comparable Geekbench actually is across different CPU architectures and operating systems though? Linus Torvalds is quoted here: https://www.realworldtech.com/forum/?threadid=185109&curpost... as saying that Geekbench 4.0 shouldn't be treated as a valid comparison between desktops/laptops and phones. (However this review used Geekbench 5.0 - not sure what differences there are).

Specint benchmarks conducted by Anandtech show the A13 going toe-to-toe with the 9900K [0], although x86 still has a decent lead for floating point.

[0] https://www.anandtech.com/show/14892/the-apple-iphone-11-pro... (scroll down to the 2nd last plot, look at the right half)

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by radicalriddler »

I don't think I can justify, no matter how good the hardware is, relative to the value of the phone compared to other leaders in the market, buying a phone in mid 2020 without 5G support. It lends its self I guess to my opposition to buying every 1 or 2 years.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by derefr »

memco wrote: post #33
paxys wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can also adjust the "clickiness" of the button from your phone settings, which is amazing.

Took me a while to realize this also applies to the magic trackpad and integrated trackpad on macbooks, but it is nice to be able to customize it. The trackpads even have two clicks the second being a "deep" click which requires even more pressure than a regular click.

It's pretty easy to notice with the magic trackpad—it loses its ability to be "clicked" when it loses power/when you turn it off.

(The trackpad on the laptop does as well, but I feel like you're just less likely to try clicking the trackpad on a macbook/MBP if the computer's not on. Whereas with the external one, you'll notice it when you go to pick it up/move it around and it doesn't accidentally click in your hand.)

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by freepor »

p1necone wrote: post #34
labster wrote: post #13

I don't really see his attempts to use the new gestures on the old-design iPhone as proof that the new UI is better. People still tell me to "tape" long after it was obvious that DVRs are better. It's simply muscle memory. Still not sure that this my next phone though, probably going to stick with the old school SE. I had asked work for an upgrade, got the giant XR, and after five days put it right back in the box an…

> "It's cool that Apple made a cheap phone" It's only cheap relative to Apples other phones, it's still outside of the range I'd consider reasonable. Although it seems the reason most people spend so much on phones is to get better cameras? Which I'm not particularly bothered about - maybe it's worth it for that.

I've upgraded my iPhone five times, just recently to the SE, and each time it's been exclusively for the camera. Literally exclusively, since in many other respects the functionality is going in reverse (loss of home button, touch ID, headphone port, etc.) I swallow it all for a better camera.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by ehsankia »

elliekelly wrote: post #20
labster wrote: post #13

I don't really see his attempts to use the new gestures on the old-design iPhone as proof that the new UI is better. People still tell me to "tape" long after it was obvious that DVRs are better. It's simply muscle memory. Still not sure that this my next phone though, probably going to stick with the old school SE. I had asked work for an upgrade, got the giant XR, and after five days put it right back in the box an…

> It's cool that Apple made a cheap phone, but what I actually wanted was a small phone and price wasn't that relevant. I’d like to shout this from the rooftops. All I want is an iPhone I can comfortably use with one hand whether it’s $400 or $1400

To be fair, different people wanted different things. Some care about cheaper way inside the walled garden, some clanged into their SE for the small size, others keep their old iPhone for the headphone jack, and so on.

To me, this has always been the issue with that ecosystem. If the one or two devices Apple makes fits your preferences, then that's awesome. Otherwise, you're shit outta luck. With Android, there's phones for everyone. Want a hardware keyboard? Check out Blackberry or F(x)tec. Want audio jack with a nice DAC, check out LG. Want stylus support? Check out Samsung Note or Moto Stylus. Gaming phone? Check out Razer or ROG. And the list goes on. There's a phone for everyone.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by p1necone »

perl4ever wrote: post #37
notRobot wrote: post #14

> So, yes, a $400 iPhone SE bests a $3,000 top-of-the-line MacBook Pro in single-core CPU performance. This is baffling.

Why? Taking it at face value, I assume that they sell more phones than laptops, and can put more resources into the phone. I mean, maybe you're suggesting they should just use the phone CPU for a laptop, but I guess it's not suitable?

It's baffling because top end x86 CPUs consume significantly more power and run at significantly higher clock speeds. If these benchmarks are actually valid it suggests that we might see ARM ousting x86 on the desktop too sooner rather than later, which would be massive considering PCs have been x86 based for about 4 decades.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by pieterk »

mbesto wrote: post #18

> Once you get used to the post-iPhone-X interaction model, there’s no going back. A week with the new SE has not shaken my belief that the X-style interaction design is superior. Not one iota. I have an iPhone 8 (TouchID) and an iPad Pro (FaceID) and personally the multi-tasking gestures are ridiculously inferior to the home button. FaceID is nice (ApplePay, unlocking, etc) but switching to another app (multi-taskin…

are you swiping left/right over the “home indicator” at the bottom of the screen?

this is an interaction that not many people know about, but it is so much faster than swiping up, and then choosing the right app.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by lukifer »

pb7 wrote: post #15
jachee wrote: post #9

This is exactly the phone my wife wants to upgrade from her showing-its-age, 5-year-old 6S. It'll fit into her existing case. It's not too big. It's affordable. It still has a home button. She's hardly a power user, so this might be the one phone she gets for the next five year, too.

>It still has a home button. Why is this a benefit? The removal of the home button might have been the best thing since the home button itself. The gesture that replaced is an order of magnitude better.

There's no disputing preferences. I still feel weird about face ID, and would rather have buttons.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by freepor »

pb7 wrote: post #15
jachee wrote: post #9

This is exactly the phone my wife wants to upgrade from her showing-its-age, 5-year-old 6S. It'll fit into her existing case. It's not too big. It's affordable. It still has a home button. She's hardly a power user, so this might be the one phone she gets for the next five year, too.

>It still has a home button. Why is this a benefit? The removal of the home button might have been the best thing since the home button itself. The gesture that replaced is an order of magnitude better.

the gesture that replaced it is significantly more likely to cause repetitive stress injuries
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