> So, yes, a $400 iPhone SE bests a $3,000 top-of-the-line MacBook Pro in single-core CPU performance. This is baffling.
It's Geekbench results. Take with an extreme grain of salt.
The 2020 iPhone SE
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Re: The 2020 iPhone SE
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I don't know. People do not take cameras with them anymore and the SE 2020's camera system is much better than that of the 6s. So, if you have the money, I think that is worth the new SE alone. Apart from that, I agree that the 6s is still surprisingly smooth and doesn't seen to struggle with recent iOS versions and applications, despite being a 5 year old phone.
That's true because Apple puts significant effort into making that work. I personally got bugs assigned to me when certain animations were <60fps on the 6s, even if they worked on newer phones like the xs. The 6s is especially prone to this as i recall because the point:pixel scaling is 3x vs 2x/4x on other phones.
Btw - thank you for working hard at making this smooth. My SO had a 6S until 2 months ago and only during iOS 11 it was not smooth. iOS 12 and 13 were perfect and apart from the camera she says she kind of misses the 6S for its smaller form factor. The other benefits of newer generations simply don't matter to many users. WhatsApp/Insta/Email/Maps runs just fine on an A9 or A13 and her main game is 2D chess....
Re: The 2020 iPhone SE
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
Something has got to be screwy. The iPhone has a TDP of 6W and a clock speed of 2.5GHz. The MBP has boost clocks of 5GHz and a 45W TDP.
Each A13 Lightning core has around 2.5x the transistors of a Skylake core. The Skylake design is also 5 years old and on a node at least a generation out of date. Geekbench is also a short enough test that thermals aren’t a huge concern.
Where are you getting the per-core transistor counts from?
Re: The 2020 iPhone SE
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
Geekbench is a fairly understood metric isn’t it? It at least attempts to simulate ‘general’ workloads.
I don't know what goes in to the benchmark but if Apple had CPUs that outperform last gen 35-45W chip with a 5-10w one in a passively cooled 5 inch phone everyone and their mother would be reverse engineering their designs and building ARM datacenters. From what I've seen so far all the server ARM CPUs struggle to reach x86 performance.
> everyone and their mother would be reverse engineering their designs and building ARM datacenters
Isn't this (more or less) NUVIA's strategy?
Re: The 2020 iPhone SE
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I honestly don't understand what direct benefit that I, a consumer, get from 5G (mmwave or normal spectrum)? My 4G device already can stream 1080p video at high quality. For every use case that I have with my phone, 5G doesn't appear to offer any material improvement. Sure, the carriers can make more out of their bandwidth, but that's not really something I'm willing to pay for. And, it's not like 4G is going anywher…
I had this discussion with another friend yesterday, and for 99% I agree with you. He told me about one thing that stuck with me and why I do see some value in 5G networks. He told me that 5G is able to handle more traffic (= more connections) per tower . So on some busy places like festivals or other places where there is a huge crowd 5G could help to let all those people access their internet. Of course you could m…
The million dollar question is how long it will be before huge crowds are safe again.
Re: The 2020 iPhone SE
#186There's a good reason why Apple aren't making the small form factor phone lots of you are asking for: logistics. The new SE requires very little new manufacturing capacity. The case and probably battery are from the iPhone 8; the CPU/GPU/SOC and most of the rest of the electronics are from the iPhone 11; the camera still seems to be a slightly unknown quantity but the specs suggest it has a lot in common with the iPh…
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Re: The 2020 iPhone SE
#187I've got one on order to replace my iphone 5. It's not my ideal but it's getting to the point where not being able to update stuff is a problem, and right now being able to use Applepay is getting to be more of an advantage. At least it won't have face id or any of that crap. I figure since this has the newest cpu at least it should be a while before Apple obsoletes it.
Re: The 2020 iPhone SE
#188There's a good reason why Apple aren't making the small form factor phone lots of you are asking for: logistics. The new SE requires very little new manufacturing capacity. The case and probably battery are from the iPhone 8; the CPU/GPU/SOC and most of the rest of the electronics are from the iPhone 11; the camera still seems to be a slightly unknown quantity but the specs suggest it has a lot in common with the iPh…
All that makes sense, but forget Apple, one of the Android manufacturers should serve this market. I feel like there's a sizeable niche that could fund one small, high quality Android phone. It's really never been done; all the small phones that have come out have been compromised in some way. Sony's Xperia Compact line came the closest, but it doesn't use stock Android, which is a huge point against it. I feel like it can't be _that_ hard: there are so many huge phones on the market. Just nix one of those models, put mid-to-high-range components in it, put a small display on it, chuck stock Android on it, and boom, you've just dominated a niche.
Re: The 2020 iPhone SE
#189Those benchmarks are impressive. iPhone SE beating the 2019 MBP in single core performance? That's fantastic! I wish I could comment on or know what he was talking about with the iPhone X vs "old iPhone" interaction paradigm. I personally thought the "single button" hardware interface was an incredible innovation that changed everything. Even Android relies on it. My Galaxy S9+ has a "software home button" (like most…
I'd be interested in seeing how the numbers compare if there was a porting of Cinebench to the iPhone
Re: The 2020 iPhone SE
#190Those benchmarks are impressive. iPhone SE beating the 2019 MBP in single core performance? That's fantastic! I wish I could comment on or know what he was talking about with the iPhone X vs "old iPhone" interaction paradigm. I personally thought the "single button" hardware interface was an incredible innovation that changed everything. Even Android relies on it. My Galaxy S9+ has a "software home button" (like most…
the real question is why we need that performance in your phone? I'm honestly asking, because with every flagship phone (no mater the brand) there is the hype about performance (X's processor is 2x quicker than Y) and it always makes me think. I don't think that in the last 10 years I ever had thought "I wish my phones CPU had higher clock speed"...
The faster the processor, the quicker it can idle and use less power - and the smaller the battery requirement.