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Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#101

Post by ornornor »

NaOH wrote: post #68

I use both styles of iPhones, an XS as my phone and a 6S as my at-work iPod and device for random moments of RSS-type surfing. I am not a heavy or advanced user. My preference is unquestionably toward the 6S style of size and operation. FaceID on the XS is great when wet fingers are an issue (often for me at work) and for in-app password authentications. All told, I prefer the one-handed usability of the smaller 6S a…

I’m with you. I think for casual users who the SE seems to be marketing, the 6S is good enough for a quarter of the price used. Although it will probably not get this year’s iOS update, forcing people to upgrade... Otherwise the 6S really is good enough and compact enough.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#102

Post by shuckles »

conception wrote: post #25
mbesto wrote: post #18

> Once you get used to the post-iPhone-X interaction model, there’s no going back. A week with the new SE has not shaken my belief that the X-style interaction design is superior. Not one iota. I have an iPhone 8 (TouchID) and an iPad Pro (FaceID) and personally the multi-tasking gestures are ridiculously inferior to the home button. FaceID is nice (ApplePay, unlocking, etc) but switching to another app (multi-taskin…

FaceId is trash but swipe multitasking on the iPhone is an amazing iteration. That said, the tap to hold for an hour to move icons around is also trash. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You can tap and pull to enter the rearrangement mode more quickly.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#103

Post by culturestate »

c0nducktr wrote: post #79
pb7 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It still has a home button. Why is this a benefit? The removal of the home button might have been the best thing since the home button itself. The gesture that replaced is an order of magnitude better.

FaceID doesn't work when I'm using my phone in bed. I lie on my side, and can't unlock my phone. Maybe that's weird, but it's something that I've been frustrated with every single day since upgrading from the 6s.

Similarly, it's annoying that you can't reach over to unlock the phone and read a notification if the phone is sitting flat on a table - you have to pick it up and angle it toward your face.

Other than that, I really liked Face ID until it became compulsory to wear a mask at all times while outside the house. My kingdom for a temporary Touch ID sensor.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#104

Post by fierarul »

zapzupnz wrote: post #63
justinator wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know you can get cameras now without a phone bundled with them.

The best camera is the one you have with you at all times, at the exact moment you need it.

Yes, but no reason then to upgrade your phone to get a better camera at premium prices.

How about using the camera phone if you are strolling down the street and want to make a Pulitzer photo and getting a better camera for those times you know you will be making photos like an anniversary, etc.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#105

Post by viraptor »

freepor wrote: post #61
pb7 wrote: post #55

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Citation? This is bullshit.

It puts more strain on the tendon which is what ends up getting injured first. If you have both types of phones go do each one 1000 times in 20 minutes each on separate days. See how your hand feels after each one.

If you have to do it "1000 times in 20 minutes" to notice the difference, then maybe it's not a big deal with normal usage.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#106

Post by microtonal »

ornornor wrote: post #101
NaOH wrote: post #68

I use both styles of iPhones, an XS as my phone and a 6S as my at-work iPod and device for random moments of RSS-type surfing. I am not a heavy or advanced user. My preference is unquestionably toward the 6S style of size and operation. FaceID on the XS is great when wet fingers are an issue (often for me at work) and for in-app password authentications. All told, I prefer the one-handed usability of the smaller 6S a…

I’m with you. I think for casual users who the SE seems to be marketing, the 6S is good enough for a quarter of the price used. Although it will probably not get this year’s iOS update, forcing people to upgrade... Otherwise the 6S really is good enough and compact enough.

I don't know. People do not take cameras with them anymore and the SE 2020's camera system is much better than that of the 6s. So, if you have the money, I think that is worth the new SE alone.

Apart from that, I agree that the 6s is still surprisingly smooth and doesn't seen to struggle with recent iOS versions and applications, despite being a 5 year old phone.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#107

Post by danielscrubs »

c0nducktr wrote: post #79
pb7 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>It still has a home button. Why is this a benefit? The removal of the home button might have been the best thing since the home button itself. The gesture that replaced is an order of magnitude better.

FaceID doesn't work when I'm using my phone in bed. I lie on my side, and can't unlock my phone. Maybe that's weird, but it's something that I've been frustrated with every single day since upgrading from the 6s.

Same, switched to Samsung A70. Every night at bedtime I swear at the FaceID not working nor (!) the under the screen Touch ID until the 8:th try. Even a headphone cable touching the screen will wake the screen up.

Having rounded sides is also something that just reeks of Windows XP blue theme to me. Playful but utter useless (for the grip). I have to remember to not squeeze the phone too hard every time because then it will hit the ground or clicking on the sides.

The old iPhone SE was amazing. I wish the new one had the same form-factor with better battery but put the touch id on the back to allow for a near edge to edge screen (but keep the steel border so I don't accidentally touch the screen).

While dreaming, I wish the reviewers would actually try living with the phones, because pretty much all the reviewers can be replaced with a spec-sheet at this point.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#108

Post by microtonal »

labster wrote: post #13

I don't really see his attempts to use the new gestures on the old-design iPhone as proof that the new UI is better. People still tell me to "tape" long after it was obvious that DVRs are better. It's simply muscle memory. Still not sure that this my next phone though, probably going to stick with the old school SE. I had asked work for an upgrade, got the giant XR, and after five days put it right back in the box an…

It's cool that Apple made a cheap phone, but what I actually wanted was a small phone and price wasn't that relevant.

I liked small form factors more as well (though I am on an XS now). However, the ATP folks correctly pointed out that while many tech people classified the SE as 'the small iPhone' [1] and are now upset about the size of the SE 2020, for many non-tech people the SE is 'the cheap iPhone'. It is clear that most of the markets wanted bigger phones. And to them, the SE 2020 is a bigger phone than the old SE (thus good), while still being very price competitive in the iPhone lineup.

[1] The question is if Apple really wanted to make a small phone or just something that fills a price range. And one way to reduce the production price of the iPhone SE was to reuse the iPhone 5s and now iPhone 8 production process. Also, it differentiates between cheaper/expensive models. In other words, the size may just be side-effect of what the SE happens to be based on.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

#110

Post by danielscrubs »

strogonoff wrote: post #90
lukifer wrote: post #49

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There's no disputing preferences. I still feel weird about face ID, and would rather have buttons.

For a good chunk of the day I can’t unlock my iPhone with Face ID while wearing a mask. At night and in the morning I can’t unlock it because I’m horizontal, hair obscures part of my face and/or it’s too dark. Punching in the passphrase gets old quick. I read about Apple’s patent on buttonless Touch ID underlying the screen and I’m holding off until next event to get either a phone with that technology, or SE 2.

If it's anything like the Samsung A70 variant of the button then run away. It's utter garbage.
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