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Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by phinnaeus »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #24
mbesto wrote: post #18

> Once you get used to the post-iPhone-X interaction model, there’s no going back. A week with the new SE has not shaken my belief that the X-style interaction design is superior. Not one iota. I have an iPhone 8 (TouchID) and an iPad Pro (FaceID) and personally the multi-tasking gestures are ridiculously inferior to the home button. FaceID is nice (ApplePay, unlocking, etc) but switching to another app (multi-taskin…

I’ve found it’s helpful if you make a slight half circle from the multitasking bar (whatever the bottom bar you pull on is called) to instantly go back to the last app. But it’s a memory game with what is on your app stack. Was Duo open last or email or calculator? If you aren’t sure you need to pull straight up into scroll mode... I don’t think there is a great solution to this, Apple has surely spent millions and m…

No half circle motion necessary. Just swipe horizontally along the home bar.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by CDSlice »

vernon99 wrote: post #99
robin_reala wrote: post #72

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Well, apart from a decent Android phone with a small screen.

Check Palm Phone

With a terrible camera and horrendous battery life I’m not sure I’d call the Palm Phone “decent.”

https://www.trustedreviews.com/reviews/palm-phone

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by why_only_15 »

microtonal wrote: post #106
ornornor wrote: post #101

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I’m with you. I think for casual users who the SE seems to be marketing, the 6S is good enough for a quarter of the price used. Although it will probably not get this year’s iOS update, forcing people to upgrade... Otherwise the 6S really is good enough and compact enough.

I don't know. People do not take cameras with them anymore and the SE 2020's camera system is much better than that of the 6s. So, if you have the money, I think that is worth the new SE alone. Apart from that, I agree that the 6s is still surprisingly smooth and doesn't seen to struggle with recent iOS versions and applications, despite being a 5 year old phone.

That's true because Apple puts significant effort into making that work. I personally got bugs assigned to me when certain animations were <60fps on the 6s, even if they worked on newer phones like the xs. The 6s is especially prone to this as i recall because the point:pixel scaling is 3x vs 2x/4x on other phones.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by microtonal »

viraptor wrote: post #96
noncoml wrote: post #7

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Fun fact: iPhone's buttons are not mechanical buttons starting with iPhone 7. The click you feel when you press it is just the taptic engine. If you have an iPhone 7 or 8, try turning it off and try to press the button.

Same with MBP touchpads which many people don't even realise since the feedback works even when the laptop is sleeping. It's a really weird experience when you actually turn it off and... nothing - you can't actually "press" it.

When I had the first generation MacBook 12", people wouldn't even believe that it was not a mechanical click when you told them. I often had to turn the machine off to convince them that it is fake. Which I would happily do to see the look on their faces ;).

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by microtonal »

saagarjha wrote: post #74
memco wrote: post #33

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Took me a while to realize this also applies to the magic trackpad and integrated trackpad on macbooks, but it is nice to be able to customize it. The trackpads even have two clicks the second being a "deep" click which requires even more pressure than a regular click.

The trackpads actually have an “infinite” number of clicks. Try it on the seeking buttons in QuickTime or IINA.

Also a nice feature, which unfortunately not a lot of applications use, is the haptic feedback. E.g. when you drag an object in OmniGraffle, you will feel very subtle feedback in the trackpad when two objects align.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by DoingIsLearning »

pensatoio wrote: post #93
radicalriddler wrote: post #43

I don't think I can justify, no matter how good the hardware is, relative to the value of the phone compared to other leaders in the market, buying a phone in mid 2020 without 5G support. It lends its self I guess to my opposition to buying every 1 or 2 years.

I’ve yet to hear one reason for why anyone needs 5G, let alone a reason for why you’d even want it. I’ve found it quite perplexing (bordering on annoying) that phone companies are getting away with so much BS marketing around 5G. I guess they’re just that desperate for something new to sell. 5G is useless to the average consumer, in my estimation.

I am no expert in the topic but I believe the issue with 4G versus 5G for the carriers is one of capacity more than any other marketing argument.

Using the example one of the replies mentioned, you are able to stream 1080p video over the network but that's because the majority of the network users are not using 4G.

Once everyone (or the majority of users) has a 'heavy-usage' profile then, over a 4G network you would likely need to throotle during peak usage periods.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by gofreddygo »

Yeah whatever. One thing all the iPhone SE reviews from the pundits I've read miss is how Apple, mighty Apple, with all it's brand loyalty and design excellence was forced by the market to take a stable version of the design and release it for a third of the cost of its flagship. Reasons?

* iPhone sales have been dropping consistently.

* No new gimmick to drive flagship price higher.

* Economy is heading to the dumpster

* Apple Services are generating more revenue. So Cheaper entry level device = more device sales = more service sales = money keeps flowing.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by foresto »

robin_reala wrote: post #72
ehsankia wrote: post #46

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To be fair, different people wanted different things. Some care about cheaper way inside the walled garden, some clanged into their SE for the small size, others keep their old iPhone for the headphone jack, and so on. To me, this has always been the issue with that ecosystem. If the one or two devices Apple makes fits your preferences, then that's awesome. Otherwise, you're shit outta luck. With Android, there's pho…

Well, apart from a decent Android phone with a small screen.

I think the Samsung Galaxy S10e is the closest current model. It's not as small as I would like, but it's at least a sane size.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by rubber_duck »

kitotik wrote: post #32
rubber_duck wrote: post #21

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When I see those benchmarks I wonder what they are actually measuring because it's very likely not general purpose compute.

Geekbench is a fairly understood metric isn’t it? It at least attempts to simulate ‘general’ workloads.

I don't know what goes in to the benchmark but if Apple had CPUs that outperform last gen 35-45W chip with a 5-10w one in a passively cooled 5 inch phone everyone and their mother would be reverse engineering their designs and building ARM datacenters. From what I've seen so far all the server ARM CPUs struggle to reach x86 performance.

Re: The 2020 iPhone SE

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Post by foepys »

ip26 wrote: post #31
Thorentis wrote: post #6

Those benchmarks are impressive. iPhone SE beating the 2019 MBP in single core performance? That's fantastic! I wish I could comment on or know what he was talking about with the iPhone X vs "old iPhone" interaction paradigm. I personally thought the "single button" hardware interface was an incredible innovation that changed everything. Even Android relies on it. My Galaxy S9+ has a "software home button" (like most…

Something has got to be screwy. The iPhone has a TDP of 6W and a clock speed of 2.5GHz. The MBP has boost clocks of 5GHz and a 45W TDP.

If those numbers were in any way real world relevant, the server market would be flooded with ARM servers. 80% power savings for the same computing power would revolutionize data centers in terms of power and cooling needed.
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