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Re: Why we listen to new music

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"The Rite" may have been technically groundbreaking, but it sounds TERRIBLE. We've seen plenty of artistic experimentation over the centuries leading to new artistic genres, but early experiments like these are almost always awful. It takes someone with skill in aesthetics to turn the new into the beautiful, and it's rarely the inventor who does this.

I dunno. I love those notes. They're really off the chain. Wild sound rampaging about :)

Re: Why we listen to new music

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As I’ve aged I’ve discovered that new pop music tends to be a reflection of the current youth culture and it’s something I’m not interested in. I still listen to new music produced by artists that were in their prime when I was younger though. They aren’t culturally relevant but either am I any longer. I’ve also found that I enjoy digging into older music And genres I would have never considered when I was younger. R…

Yeah, theres lots of great old music that it’s new at the same time. And it comes with the perspective of time, one has the ability to see how it aged. The most im impressed with is forgotten music that has aged very well and feels ever more relevant; that is music with essence. Sometimes despite being a bad recording it still moves the needle in the positive direction. In modern music the newness factor sometimes ob…

Agreed. To me it’s fascinating to hear people singing about the same themes and problems of their day. Or even breaking the assumption that everything was simpler or more pure.

Hearing Robert Johnson singing about squeezing his lemon and quipping (yeah that’s what I’m talking about) is pretty funny. Or Hank Williams just reminiscing about going out, getting loaded with his girl, grabbing some after bar food, and causing a ruckus everywhere they go.

These are popular themes in pop music of today.

Re: Why we listen to new music

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Nope, you are fully missing out on the advances of music production. The sounds producers can create nowdays were not available in 18th century, not even in the 80s. If you consider as music only what you can write down as sheet music you are missing out on so much. Thats why finding new artists, who can make unique sounds, not just melodies, is so rewarding.

I used to think this way too. "How could the Beatles possibly still be relevant? There's been 50 years of progress since then! You wouldn't buy a PC from the 60s, why listen to music from the 60s?" And then I actually gave the classics a try. Not all types of technology obsolete themselves like computer technology. The Beatles have yet to be beaten in pop music, and Bach has yet to be beaten in music in general. But…

>Not all types of technology obsolete themselves like computer technology. The Beatles have yet to be beaten in pop music, and Bach has yet to be beaten in music in general.

At least according to the Bach and Beatles enthusiasts and people that game music to be a competition for money rather than a form of expression or storytelling.

If it has got to the point where 'bands' are manufactured because the music industry can kind of 'read' what the audience will buy, rather than what the audience needs, what actually _is_ 'pop music'?

Then again, to offset that, we have glitch music.

Things started to get really weird once we could apply room shapes to music and then play them in another room thanks to the wonders of modern technology.

Re: Why we listen to new music

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Nope, you are fully missing out on the advances of music production. The sounds producers can create nowdays were not available in 18th century, not even in the 80s. If you consider as music only what you can write down as sheet music you are missing out on so much. Thats why finding new artists, who can make unique sounds, not just melodies, is so rewarding.

> not even in the 80s Not the OP but personally some of most innovative music can be found in the mainstream Italian scene of the late '60s - early '70s (including music film), you've got former "musique concrète" composers (or people interested in that type of music) like Piero Umiliani, Piero Piccioni, Armando Trovajoli or Ennio Morricone himself now composing music for the masses, I don't think anything similar ha…

Or you could just listen to Depeche Mode [1]

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKHxp6VwwGY&list=PLiN-7mukU_...

Re: Why we listen to new music

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This from the website that built an empire on discovering and promoting new music - but today reviews Tik Tok videos [1] and treat Taylor Swift and Beiber like they are Richard D. James. [1] https://pitchfork.com/thepitch/tiktok-report-benees-supalone...

Methods of discovering and promoting new music change over time, especially compared to the peak days of a niche electronic music artist in the 90s. Tik Tok is an absolutely massive recent source of new music growth [0], Taylor Swift and Beiber are absolutely massive artists with almost unparalleled influence across multiple genres, their riding of new vibes throws off tsunami wave effects. They’re doing their job, a…

Popular isn't the same as influential. For a good example of "unparalleled influence", look at the Velvet Underground. They hardly sold any copies of their first album, but as (I think) Brian Eno observed, "Everyone who bought that album started a band". Velvet Underground and Nico is arguably one of the ten most important rock albums ever made.

Maybe, fifty years from now, we'll look back on that first Taylor Swift album as world-changing. But I doubt it. Talented? Yes, remarkably so. But I don't hear a "Heroin" or "Venus in Furs" level change in the very nature of music there.

Re: Why we listen to new music

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As an artist I battle with this everyday, curious people actively seeking for new music are really hard to find

I feel the same, but I don't think that's the issue; the problem is that there is such extreme amounts of new music coming out everyday, and "everybody wants to reach everybody", i.e. a lot of artists are going for maximum exposure. You can hardly contact relevant blogs etc, because lists are being sold so unscrupulous bands can send out thousands of promo emails.

That said, there really should be a recommendation service focused on small but active artists. I hate that spotify etc is turning music into an on-demand commodity rather than a socioculture art form. For the interested, music journo Liz Pelly has a lot of good pieces on this topic.

Re: Why we listen to new music

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Listening to new music is one of my favourite activities. Don't understand how people are happy to listen to the same old stuff - it must get so dull. There's so much good stuff out there, and it's so exciting to find an artist, genre or new combinations of sounds I've not heard before. Bandcamp is great for this – better than Spotify or Apple Music. You can explore by artist, genre tag, label, and by people who have…

> Don't understand how people are happy to listen to the same old stuff

When I find something I really like, I most likely will enjoy it long after. I'll listen to it a lot when it is fresh, and then come back at it every now and then.

Just yesterday I had a listen to some of my trance/club CDs from around the 2000s[1][2]. Back then that was the kind of music I listened to all day err day, but these days not so much. But a few times a year I come back to enjoy it again.

> Bandcamp is great for this

Yeah love Bandcamp, their discover mixes are also quite nice. The variety, everything from heavy riffs[3] to otherwordly things like this[4]. And the artist actually gets most of the money, unlike with CDs or Spotify.

[1]: DJ Tiësto & DJ Montana - Space Age 2.0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED9yN7lkWpw

[2]: DJ Stein H - Connected Vol. 1 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsVLPQGqWZA

[3]: https://firebreatherdoom.bandcamp.com/album/under-a-blood-mo...

[4]: https://dakhabrakha.bandcamp.com/album/the-road

Re: Why we listen to new music

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I'm sure if you speak to an 18 y/o today they'll tell you there is a scene. But give them 10 years and they'll be saying the same as you. I think it's just how our brains change. When we're in our late teens, striking out into the world everything is new and full of possibilities. We hoover up new experiences and crave novelty as we find our place in the world. But later on in life that's no longer necessary - we ent…

I have seen it being referred various times that musical interest and emotional connection to it really develops and peaks around the age 14 E.g.: https://learning.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/05/25/is-14-a-magic-... https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/10/opinion/sunday/favorite-s... I think the book "This Is Your Brain on Music" also talks about it, but I haven't read it yet. https://www.amazon.com/This-Your-Brain-Music-Obses…

I don't know if that's true, around 14 I did emotionally connect to music ofc, for some reason I was into nu-metal at the time. From then on I've made several 180° turns and the music I listened to back then falls somewhere between cringy to kinda alright, depending on the song. For me it feels as my music taste is evolving the emotional connection is actually going up. Well perhaps 14 is the average but it's certainly not true for everyone, the tail can be pretty long.

Re: Why we listen to new music

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Listening to new music has got to do with openness and as we age we tend to be less open to new experiences. I think best way to listen to new music is not just about a new band or new albums but more about new genres. I used to not enjoy jazz, found it elitist and quite frankly I didn't even get it. About 10 years ago I started listening jazz and anything that's got mixed with jazz, like jazz-funk, or jazz fusion an…

> Listening to new music has got to do with openness and as we age we tend to be less open to new experiences.

For me it has been the exact opposite, at least so far. When I was in my teens, electronic music was all I cared about, and stuff like Guns N' Roses, Nirvana and whatnot that the other kids were listening to was just crap.

As time went on I discovered I've shed my prejudice, and will listen to most things with an open mind. As such my collection now spans a lot of genres.

To get an idea, here are my most recent purchases off Bandcamp:

http://xirecords.bandcamp.com/album/celestial-fires

http://dakhabrakha.bandcamp.com/album/the-road

http://delvonlamarrorgantrio.bandcamp.com/album/live-at-kexp

http://okkotomusic.bandcamp.com/album/fear-the-veil-not-the-...

http://monolord.bandcamp.com/album/no-comfort

http://thesoftmoon.bandcamp.com/album/deeper-2

https://secondstill.bandcamp.com/album/equals-ep

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