I was under impression that "28 pages" document was mostly declassified? Or this is some another documents?
Attorney General Barr Refuses to Release 9/11 Documents to Victims' Families
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#32Possibly related?
https://www.heraldtribune.com/news/20190827/judge-rules-fbi-...
Re: Attorney General Barr Refuses to Release 9/11 Documents to Victims' Families
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
A popular theory is that it exposes 'allies' of the US as complicit. Which allies those are depends on whose theory you subscribe to.
If we assume that Al-Qaeda was behind the attack, it's hard to imagine how high-ranking Saudis weren't involved. Given what we know about Saudi funding of Al-Qaeda. Also, given what we know about CIA funding of Al-Qaeda, it's not a huge stretch to suspect US involvement. Or at least, a bungled entrapment or outright rogue operation. It's hard to guess what US allies might be involved. Israel is a popular guess. Espec…
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Re: Attorney General Barr Refuses to Release 9/11 Documents to Victims' Families
#34A link to the case file or Barr's filed declaration and memo would be nice.
edit-to-add:
Case No.: 1:03-md-01570
In Re: Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001
Can't find free access to Barr's recent memo filed.
Re: Attorney General Barr Refuses to Release 9/11 Documents to Victims' Families
#35Earlier quoted context omitted.
While I agree with you, I'll play devils advocate: The information in the documents is so bad, the damage it would cause would be worse than 9/11 itself. What other logical reason is there for keeping it secret for this long?
Okay, damage to whom? The American people or individuals with compromised interests? I am unconvinced it's not the latter and that's a shame akin to the reality that we have to find of squaring with that it took a comedian pleading with tears in his eyes to convince Congress to do the right thing and even authorize funds for first responder's families. Next question: More damaging than 9/11? Does that preclude the lo…
There happen to be one major Saudi company that happen to be a privileged accessory to their monarch...
https://s.france24.com/media/display/aa00e3a4-0eb0-11e9-818f...
Basically yes, USA has went to absolutely unexplainable, completely bizarre extent to shield Saudis from the fallout, and even took out their biggest enemy in the region for them.
A document rendering multiple US administrations complete insert expletive will be deeply detrimental to political careers of many political clans on the hill.
Re: Attorney General Barr Refuses to Release 9/11 Documents to Victims' Families
#36The only possible explanation is that Barr is trying to hide wrongdoing or negligence on the part of the US government. Any information relevant to national security (such as names, etc.) could easily be redacted.
The other possible explanation is that it implicates high-ranking Saudi officials, which would make it politically problematic to maintain the existing diplomatic and security relationship. For example, while under seal it can't be used to civilly sue those officials, and it permits the DoJ to avoid prosecutions it might be politically forced to pursue. Such civil and criminal suits would disrupt the existing state o…
The other other possible explanation is that it would expose US intelligence-gathering methods and capabilities. US governments have been really sensitive about such things. It's not just one administration, either. Going clear back to World War II, they prosecuted a reporter for exposing that the US had broken Japanese codes. (I think in connection with Midway, maybe?) Fortunately, the Japanese didn't wake up from the exposure.
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
This information would probably make it politically impossible to maintain peaceful, diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia. That’s probably why.
Why does the US need to maintain peaceful, diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia?
It doesn't, but if it is uncovered that it isn't, people will have to ask their politicians why they keep spending billions on Saudis is there is no terrible secret reason to do so.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
This information would probably make it politically impossible to maintain peaceful, diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia. That’s probably why.
If peace and diplomacy are the goals, conducting it in the dark terrifies me as to what steps the interested parties aim to use in 'getting there' or the questionable trades and concessions they make outside of the spotlight. I mean let’s turn this on its head: if peace and diplomacy are the goals, what do they have to hide? That’s a pretty universal outcome that I can’t imagine many people having a problem pursuing.…
Yes, you are very correct. Interested people can google "Operation CONDOR"
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#39Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who the fuck would downvote this? It is established fact. Oh, that's right. It's 2020 and the Internet has no shortage of ideological idiots and information saboteurs. Talk about a thorny problem for a board like this.
I have no problem with the statement. But as a HackerNews comment it is far too reductionist. At the very least, in my opinion, it should have been accompanied by at least mentioning supporting information if not actual citations.
Josh Marshall and his team at TalkingPointsMemo have been doing a fantastic job for these past four years documenting Trump's AG turnstile that finally landed him the cover-up artist Barr, whose lawyering for government criminals goes back to the Reagan administration. And that man is good at what he does, for he has no shame; it's team-first and damn the Constitution.
And at some point, it no longer became reductionist to call Nixon a criminal. His AG ended up doing 19 months, and that was nothing compared to what these mofos are doing.
Also, h/t to Marcy Wheeler at emptywheel.net for her fine reporting on the transgressions of the Trump administration.
Re: Attorney General Barr Refuses to Release 9/11 Documents to Victims' Families
#40A link to the case file or Barr's filed declaration and memo would be nice. edit-to-add: Case No.: 1:03-md-01570 In Re: Terrorist Attacks on September 11, 2001 Can't find free access to Barr's recent memo filed.
> Case No.: 1:03-md-01570
Just found three PDFs with the title "Case 1:03-md-01570-GBD-FM".[0,1,2]
[0] https://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/4caseyorderja...
[1] https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/files/5886-30462015-09-29opin...
[2] https://www.scribd.com/document/101651118/Judge-Orders-6B-in...