Minneapolis field office memo.
What's this?
Not sure what OC meant. Googling led me to https://oig.justice.gov/special/s0606/chapter1.htm
Attorney General Barr Refuses to Release 9/11 Documents to Victims' Families
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#12The only possible explanation is that Barr is trying to hide wrongdoing or negligence on the part of the US government. Any information relevant to national security (such as names, etc.) could easily be redacted.
A popular theory is that it exposes 'allies' of the US as complicit. Which allies those are depends on whose theory you subscribe to.
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#13The man's credibility is long gone.
Who the fuck would downvote this?
It is established fact.
Oh, that's right. It's 2020 and the Internet has no shortage of ideological idiots and information saboteurs. Talk about a thorny problem for a board like this.
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#14> Barr says he cannot even explain why the material must stay secret without putting national security at risk.
I apply a bit of hyperbole here, but I'm convinced that "national security" is a monotonic function that will eventually encompass everything in the federal government.
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#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder if he is confusing the security of the nation with the security of the government.
Of course he is, and frankly I wouldn’t put it past this or even most administrations to do the same thing. Zero accountability. It’s disgusting. Yes. Downvote this. For calling out the issue of accountability for what it is on this topic: disgusting. I dare someone to defend it convincingly. Please someone defend this.
While I agree with you, I'll play devils advocate: The information in the documents is so bad, the damage it would cause would be worse than 9/11 itself.
What other logical reason is there for keeping it secret for this long?
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#16Earlier quoted context omitted.
Of course he is, and frankly I wouldn’t put it past this or even most administrations to do the same thing. Zero accountability. It’s disgusting. Yes. Downvote this. For calling out the issue of accountability for what it is on this topic: disgusting. I dare someone to defend it convincingly. Please someone defend this.
While I agree with you, I'll play devils advocate: The information in the documents is so bad, the damage it would cause would be worse than 9/11 itself. What other logical reason is there for keeping it secret for this long?
Okay, damage to whom? The American people or individuals with compromised interests? I am unconvinced it's not the latter and that's a shame akin to the reality that we have to find of squaring with that it took a comedian pleading with tears in his eyes to convince Congress to do the right thing and even authorize funds for first responder's families.
Next question: More damaging than 9/11? Does that preclude the loss of life the morning of? To say nothing of the lives lost during the resulting military actions and regional fallout?
Let me end this by asking this: does this of all things really need a devil's advocate? The devil seems to be doing just fine pro se.
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#17The only possible explanation is that Barr is trying to hide wrongdoing or negligence on the part of the US government. Any information relevant to national security (such as names, etc.) could easily be redacted.
The other possible explanation is that it implicates high-ranking Saudi officials, which would make it politically problematic to maintain the existing diplomatic and security relationship. For example, while under seal it can't be used to civilly sue those officials, and it permits the DoJ to avoid prosecutions it might be politically forced to pursue. Such civil and criminal suits would disrupt the existing state o…
I'll be run out of town on a rail for this due to the Alex Jones association but what about the dancing Israelis? The limited amount of government documents released do genuinely seem to point to Israeli Mossad having some fore-knowledge of the attack.
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#19The man's credibility is long gone.
Who the fuck would downvote this? It is established fact. Oh, that's right. It's 2020 and the Internet has no shortage of ideological idiots and information saboteurs. Talk about a thorny problem for a board like this.
I have no problem with the statement. But as a HackerNews comment it is far too reductionist. At the very least, in my opinion, it should have been accompanied by at least mentioning supporting information if not actual citations.
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#20The only possible explanation is that Barr is trying to hide wrongdoing or negligence on the part of the US government. Any information relevant to national security (such as names, etc.) could easily be redacted.
A popular theory is that it exposes 'allies' of the US as complicit. Which allies those are depends on whose theory you subscribe to.
If we assume that Al-Qaeda was behind the attack, it's hard to imagine how high-ranking Saudis weren't involved. Given what we know about Saudi funding of Al-Qaeda.
Also, given what we know about CIA funding of Al-Qaeda, it's not a huge stretch to suspect US involvement. Or at least, a bungled entrapment or outright rogue operation.
It's hard to guess what US allies might be involved. Israel is a popular guess. Especially given its oddly close relationship with the Saudis, and its entanglement with US intelligence agencies. And then there's the fact that Mossad agents were trailing the Saudi terrorists for some time before the attacks.
But then, it could literally be anyone. And the Israelis and Saudis might have been framed.