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Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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Post by efreak »

Silhouette wrote: post #158
diggan wrote: post #112

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> I trusted GitHub I feel like every netizen goes through this at one point of their life, where they trust an entity, get burned, and learn the lesson of never trusting another entity (100% without condition) again, keeping your data closer to yourself. Much like in real life, where at one point you trusted some too much/naively, and after that point you're more careful, even of things/people you do trust.

A lot of people seem to develop a strange sense of loyalty to services they like (and haven't been stung by, obviously). Try suggesting that you can run a software business without using GitHub as your single point of failure^W^W^W^Wsource control system, and a lot of young developers will just laugh and wonder what you've been smoking. Try challenging Apple's walled garden philosophy and suggesting that their mobile…

> Try suggesting that you can run a software business without using GitHub as your single point of failure^W^W^W^Wsource control system, and a lot of young developers will just laugh and wonder what you've been smoking.

To be fair, this example isn't quite as bad. It's simple enough to add a new remote to your working copies and host your repo elsewhere. It doesn't help with GitHub-specific features like comments or integrations though

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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Post by delfinom »

ernsheong wrote: post #191
TLightful wrote: post #125

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Wow. Bye bye, Atlassian. Moving immediately.

I created a Trello alternative, check it out at https://www.kanrails.com Would love to get feedback!

From the signup page >Work email is recommended.

Yea...so how does this solve OP's problem. Also desperation for sales leads eh?

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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Post by dhimes »

the_pwner224 wrote: post #192
dhimes wrote: post #184

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I just almost always start firefox with a mouse click- even on fluxbox :/

$ cd ~/.local/share/applications $ cp /usr/share/applications/firefox.desktop . $ vim firefox.desktop Add -P onto the end of the 'Exec' line. Now your click button for firefox will open the profile manager.

awesome!

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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Post by efreak »

yardie wrote: post #201
mercer wrote: post #170

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So we can conclude that Atlassian started its journey fucking up Trello?

Not only did they fuck it up. It was implicitly used as a feature. If you can attach multiple email accounts to a service then of course you would attach your work email to it. The real devious behaviour was assigning your entire account to another entity to manage and without your permission. I've had to create a new account, ask the enterprise account manager to remove my account, and move my cards to another accou…

> the Trello app only allows one login so I have to decide is it going to be work or personal that I'm viewing because I can't do both.

If you're on Android, use Island or another app to set up a local Work account; you can now install a second instance of any app under the same profile, and log it into a different account. I'm unaware if iOS has similar.

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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Post by Silhouette »

geocar wrote: post #238
Silhouette wrote: post #166

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Personal data is data that identifies a natural person, or that can be used to identify a natural person, not that is produced by a natural person. What do you think the new subject access rights, notably the right to data portability, are intended to achieve, if you interpret the definition of personal data so narrowly? The GDPR actually defines personal data as "any information relating to an identified or identifi…

> What do you think the new subject access rights, notably the right to data portability, are intended to achieve, if you interpret the definition of personal data so narrowly? I am not going to speculate. > The GDPR actually defines personal data as "any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’)...", which is significantly different to what you wrote. I can't speculate on…

I'm well aware of what the GDPR actually says, thanks. I was the one quoting it.

My point is that what it actually says, unlike the definition of personal data you gave, clearly goes beyond just the identifying information.

Moreover, there was also clear intent, reflected in the provisions of the GDPR itself and in statements by officials involved in writing and interpreting it at EU level, for the safeguards on data portability and erasure to cover exactly the sort of data we are talking about with a service like Trello.

I'm not aware of any action so far that has actually tested this, but if a national regulator chose not to penalise flagrant non-compliance with both the letter and the spirit of the GDPR such as we see in this case in response to a genuine complaint, it simply wouldn't be doing its job, since it would essentially be unilaterally deciding that entire articles of the GDPR are pointless.

This certainly isn't beyond the bounds of possibility. Indeed, the vague nature of the GDPR in many respects and the reliance on subjective interpretation by all the different national regulators was one of the big criticisms that I and others made at the time it was introduced. But if that happened here and the regulators chose not to enforce in a situation like this, it really would turn the GDPR into a bit of a joke.

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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Post by logicuce »

shashanktomar wrote: post #235
logicuce wrote: post #164

Seems like unpopular opinion given comments on this thread, but here it is anyway. Using my employer's email addresses for services I want to control doesn't sound right. Of course, LinkedIn is a different story but for SaaS platforms like Trello, my employer should be the rightful owner of the data I store in there if I used it for work. Imagine the other scenario, if that Trello account's control didn't move to the…

I believe that is not entirely true. Here is the explaination https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22874704

You created a Side Project but used your company's email ID to share it with your teammate at work.

Does that side project belong to you or to your company? If it belonged to you, why would you use office email ID for collaborating on it? and if it belonged to the company, why would you manage it on a personal Trello account?

Sorry to sound harsh, but unless I am missing something, to begin with, looks bad judgement on your part.

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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Post by dariusj18 »

pdonis wrote: post #232
jwr wrote: post #103

I have a single E-mail account that I use for everything. I decided more than ~20 years ago that my E-mail is tied to my identity and not to any particular E-mail service or employer, and I started managing my E-mail myself. Trello just notifided me that: > At least one of the email addresses linked to your account belongs to an organization: [...] > This usually means it's a work email. If this organization begins u…

If you only use a single email address and you manage it yourself, how does one of the email addresses on your account belong to an organization?

If they are a contractor and have access to other client's accounts via that login?

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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Post by syshum »

derangedHorse wrote: post #215
caseysoftware wrote: post #80

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That's ugly, I'm sorry. It's also why I oppose using social authentication with anything. While we have access to our [Facebook, Twitter, Github, Google, LinkedIn] account today, what happens if they shut it down? We have no clue of the real consequences and no appeals process. It's the worst of both worlds.

That’s one of the motivations for the “new” project Tim Berners Lee is working on, Solid. The amount of foresight people working on the web have is crazy. I read an article interviewing Lou Montulli the other day and was amazed to find out how how extensively he thought about the nefarious use of cookies when they were being designed

Funny because when those same people actually had a chance to stop alot of the privacy violating and non-open things in the web they caved to the pressure from Google, and others to make the Web less open, less private, and less free.

Tim Burners Lee was one of those people that caved with HTML5 standard, and several other standards under the W3C

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Post by alexis_fr »

ssorallen wrote: post #168
znpy wrote: post #127

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> You don't need separate Firefox profiles for that, you can use Firefox containers. Firefox Containers are awful. Only firefox profiles can give you true separation. It would have been better if Mozilla had added a better interface to profiles.

> It would have been better if Mozilla had added a better interface to profiles. Profiles in Chrome and their ease of use (Cmd+Shift+M to open a new window in a different profile) is the primary reason I still use Chrome over Firefox. I have a Personal, a Work, and a Development profile. The development profile is where I install dev extensions like React Devtools, Redux Devtools, etc. because they require full acces…

Upside of Chrome profiles: Use a bright red theme for prod sysadmin profile, and blue for work. So you never type « p... » on your work profile by mistake... Don’t laugh, usage is widespread.

Re: Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company

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Post by pnw_hazor »

pdonis wrote: post #229
shashanktomar wrote: post #16

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I am the user in this case. I understand Atlassian's position in this case but this is so hard to track over such a long period of time. I left this workplace almost 5 years back and the account worked fine. Then it suddenly stopped working without any notification from their side.

> this is so hard to track over such a long period of time. But you created the problem in the first place by adding your work email to an account that had your personal boards in it. By doing that you gave your employer a means of controlling that account. You basically planted a time bomb that could go off at some unpredictable time in the future. And it went off.

Attaching a secondary email to an account does not grant ownership of content or IP owned by the account holder to an entity associated with the secondary email. At best it provides evidence that the account holder has [or had] a relationship with the email domain owner.

Depending on the jurisdiction, if one suffers money damages as a result of the unapproved transfer Trello or its business clients may be exposed to liability. Also, I imagine there may be privacy or consumer protection laws that could apply too even in the absence of money damages.

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