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Sounds to me that Trello should have asked users to unlink any old accounts in good time before making this move
In most countries whatever job related work you do is owned by your job (even when you do it at home in your own time). So never make the mistake to mix private with work. I don't think Atlassian is to blame here. Maybe they could have communicated this better to the owner of the account. But if you own an account it does not mean you own the content if you used it for work.
If a company thinks they own something on that account, they should address that with the owner of the account. In court, if necessary. But companies just seizing your data like that should be illegal, and companies should not enable it. They certainly shouldn't proactively give your data to someone else.
Note that Youtube is also guilty of similar things, allowing companies to claim ownership of independent users' original works. There need to be stronger laws to crack down on such abuses.
Trello sent me this email today: > Using a work email address with Trello > At least one of the email addresses linked to your account belongs to an organization: > .com > This usually means it's a work email. If this organization begins using Atlassian products while this email address is linked, your account could become managed by that organization, which means you could potentially lose access. If you don't use T…
Using my employer's email addresses for services I want to control doesn't sound right. Of course, LinkedIn is a different story but for SaaS platforms like Trello, my employer should be the rightful owner of the data I store in there if I used it for work.
Imagine the other scenario, if that Trello account's control didn't move to the employer, the employee would still be keeping the content he created FOR the employer long after his employment has ended. I don't think that is cool.
Your data is your data, likewise, your employer's data is theirs. If you don't want any hassle, keep these two lives different.
GitHub did this to me a few years ago. I still feel violated. Not by my idiot former employer. I feel violated by GitHub. I got my account back. Sort of. They detached a significant amount of my content from my account, and returned to me a gimpy lobotomized version of myself. All my old GitHub comments are credited to “ghost” now. I was somewhere in the first 12,000 GitHub accounts. My relationship with GitHub signi…
GitHub organizations should make this a non issue. I assumed that they’re mostly competent, but if literally any past job I had could pull the plug that’d be a huge problem.
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GDPR protects personal data, which the EU interprets very broadly. When you are working and what you are working on is included, for instance. That's basically a Trello board. Processing of such data (e.g. handing it over to a third party) without explicit consent is subject to major fines.
> GDPR protects personal data, which the EU interprets very broadly. This isn't accurate. Individual member states can and do interpret the GDPR differently. For a European company, the country they are "at home to" is the one that will govern them, not the state that the individual belongs to. If the company is not "at home" in the European Union (for example, because it is in the US and has no European offices and…
What do you think the new subject access rights, notably the right to data portability, are intended to achieve, if you interpret the definition of personal data so narrowly?
The GDPR actually defines personal data as "any information relating to an identified or identifiable natural person (‘data subject’)...", which is significantly different to what you wrote.
It seems to be widely understood, including acknowledgement in various statements by EU officials, that these provisions were aimed squarely at businesses like social networks to avoid them locking users in by holding the user's data hostage. That seems to be exactly the scenario we're talking about here.
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> I trusted GitHub I feel like every netizen goes through this at one point of their life, where they trust an entity, get burned, and learn the lesson of never trusting another entity (100% without condition) again, keeping your data closer to yourself. Much like in real life, where at one point you trusted some too much/naively, and after that point you're more careful, even of things/people you do trust.
A lot of people seem to develop a strange sense of loyalty to services they like (and haven't been stung by, obviously). Try suggesting that you can run a software business without using GitHub as your single point of failure^W^W^W^Wsource control system, and a lot of young developers will just laugh and wonder what you've been smoking. Try challenging Apple's walled garden philosophy and suggesting that their mobile…
TBH, I've never worked at a company that would host their source code at a third party service. At my first job, we wouldn't even use a web UI for the repositories (I still think that's not all that useful to begin with). At my current job, we use cgit. We use Jira (that we pay for, obviously), but as to source control --- a company hosting it on GitHub? Never seen it with my own eyes. But I work as a C++ dev, so maybe it's different here than, say, in webdev world.
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> separate Chrome profiles or Firefox profiles, so that none of the cookies are shared. You don't need separate Firefox profiles for that, you can use Firefox containers.
> You don't need separate Firefox profiles for that, you can use Firefox containers. Firefox Containers are awful. Only firefox profiles can give you true separation. It would have been better if Mozilla had added a better interface to profiles.
Profiles in Chrome and their ease of use (Cmd+Shift+M to open a new window in a different profile) is the primary reason I still use Chrome over Firefox. I have a Personal, a Work, and a Development profile. The development profile is where I install dev extensions like React Devtools, Redux Devtools, etc. because they require full access to all sites in order to function. I don’t do regular web browsing with devtools installed. These tools seem trustworthy, but why risk giving them access to everything I do on the web?
I’ve tried Firefox Containers and can’t find the same power and ease of use Chrome Profiles have.
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Isn't it standard to open separate accounts for companies? My employers would've never even allowed me to use a personal account or personal email for business content. In the end, they need to be able to claim the content if an employee leaves the company. Mixing personal and company accounts or even accounts of several employers sounds dangerous to me.
> Isn't it standard to open separate accounts for companies? I understood that these were separate accounts in separate systems, they just had the same email address attached to both because it was convenient to log into each system from separate workstations - a little bit like using a company phone for a personal telephone call. When one company (Atlassian) acquired the other (Trello), the "accounts" were merged by…
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Surely the sensible option would be for Atlassian to allow you to keep all your personal boards and only show the work-email boards if you sign in, or allow you to 'disconnect' from those? And if this is technically difficult to do (because boards are not obviously linked to email addresses, or whatever), then that's still on them, but also solvable: allow you to remove BigCo email and just not give you access to any…
And in fact this used to be how it worked. Work boards showed up in a separate section that was clearly defined as enterprise. So my private work boards, team boards, and template boards were there. My family and personal boards were under my username. And it worked like this for years. Sans souci