Well this was enough to give me some perspective. Time to clean up and delete some accounts. Thank you.
Trello handed over my personal account to my previous company
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#212So next does Google get to dictate ownership of the Trello account, since there's an @gmail.com login?
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#213Earlier quoted context omitted.
Instead, I have a strict separation rule for these kind of services. No work stuff is hosted in my personal accounts, and work accounts are always created with a separate e-mail. I can just remove myself from everything work related without touching anything personal. While I was working with a small group, we had our own domain and e-mail addresses as a perk. My relationship went sour with the lead of the project an…
Meanwhile on Facebook you cannot create a page for a business(say you work in the marketing department) without linking your PERSONAL account to it. Absolutely fucking insane.
That's a completely different thing. One, Facebook is based around the concept of a real person being behind just about everything - when you administer a group, you can see which person posted the individual company/page posts. Two, nothing can happen to your personal account based on the actions of the company page or other people associated with it.
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I created a Trello alternative, check it out at https://www.kanrails.com Would love to get feedback!
First piece of feedback, don't suggest somebody use a work email and company name on a Trello alternative right after this debacle happened.
I'd say don't require it, and it's not required in this case. In the context of the tool, it does make sense to suggest it.
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#215GitHub did this to me a few years ago. I still feel violated. Not by my idiot former employer. I feel violated by GitHub. I got my account back. Sort of. They detached a significant amount of my content from my account, and returned to me a gimpy lobotomized version of myself. All my old GitHub comments are credited to “ghost” now. I was somewhere in the first 12,000 GitHub accounts. My relationship with GitHub signi…
That's ugly, I'm sorry. It's also why I oppose using social authentication with anything. While we have access to our [Facebook, Twitter, Github, Google, LinkedIn] account today, what happens if they shut it down? We have no clue of the real consequences and no appeals process. It's the worst of both worlds.
That’s one of the motivations for the “new” project Tim Berners Lee is working on, Solid. The amount of foresight people working on the web have is crazy. I read an article interviewing Lou Montulli the other day and was amazed to find out how how extensively he thought about the nefarious use of cookies when they were being designed
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#216Trello has been advertising a lot on some podcasts that I listen to and I was considering using them. Sorry about the problems you are having - good luck with getting them resolved and thank you for posting this as I just crossed Trello off the consideration list :-(
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A lot of people seem to develop a strange sense of loyalty to services they like (and haven't been stung by, obviously). Try suggesting that you can run a software business without using GitHub as your single point of failure^W^W^W^Wsource control system, and a lot of young developers will just laugh and wonder what you've been smoking. Try challenging Apple's walled garden philosophy and suggesting that their mobile…
> Try suggesting that you can run a software business without using GitHub as your single point of failure^W^W^W^Wsource control system, and a lot of young developers will just laugh and wonder what you've been smoking. TBH, I've never worked at a company that would host their source code at a third party service. At my first job, we wouldn't even use a web UI for the repositories (I still think that's not all that u…
I worked at a place that had virtually zero internal systems, including version control, and relied heavily on Github in particular for things like access control, beyond just source control.
One of their remote devs had his Github account hacked (pre 2FA) and then had access to Slack as well, and the hacker managed to socially engineer his way into a number of sensitive areas and increased access, to the point the company had all their code taken and a number of high GPU Amazon instances started to generate crypto coins to the tune of a $35,000 EC2 bill.
I'm from the old school and have never trusted third party services for anything critical to the company. I'll admit a bit of internal gloating after that incident.
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> They clearly understand the implication and the ownership of accounts Clearly understand what "implication"? From what I can see, all Atlassian knows is that there is an account with two email addresses attached to it. They have no way of knowing which email belongs to the "right" owner of the account. That's something the two parties involved--the two owners of the two emails--need to work out between them, and th…
Last time I used Trello they had a relatively extensive concept of organizations and board ownership, while they might not have an idea about which email is the fictitious canonical owner of the account this still falls on Atlassian. They created this system that allowed AcmeCorp to change a setting and subsequently lock an ex employee out of non-organisation data. They know which of this accounts content is related…
> they allow using a single identity for both private and corporate use cases at the same time. That's a use case their user facing interface actively encouraged.
This seems to me to be the root of the problem, because to me this is obviously a bad idea and should be actively discouraged, if not prohibited altogether. If Atlassian, or some predecessor owner of Trello, did actively encourage this, then I agree they bear some culpability.
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#219Earlier quoted context omitted.
> At some point, while working on a side project and to share it with a teammate, I attached a secondary email to my account and created few boards under it. This email was my companies email This makes it seem like it's the third of the options I mentioned (personal account which happens to have a work email as an alternate email). But what you say a little further on (quoted below) makes it clear that it's the seco…
Surely the sensible option would be for Atlassian to allow you to keep all your personal boards and only show the work-email boards if you sign in, or allow you to 'disconnect' from those? And if this is technically difficult to do (because boards are not obviously linked to email addresses, or whatever), then that's still on them, but also solvable: allow you to remove BigCo email and just not give you access to any…
> Surely the sensible option would be for Atlassian to allow you to keep all your personal boards and only show the work-email boards if you sign in, or allow you to 'disconnect' from those?
To me the sensible option is to have separate accounts for work and personal, and to never mix them. That way you're never even tempted to make the mistake of attaching an email you don't control--your work email--to an account that has your own stuff in it that you need to have sole control over.
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#220Whenever I get a “Good news! We’re changing things” email from Atlassian, I get an ominous feeling. It typically means they are making some changes to one of their products. The changes don’t benefit me at all, but do cause me disruption. I think any warm feeling I had towards Atlassian evaporated with the whole HipChat-to-Stride-to-nothing fiasco. 1. “Good news! We are replacing HipChat with Stride, which is a worse…
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