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March 2020 was the first March without a school shooting in the U.S. since 2002

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Re: March 2020 was the first March without a school shooting in the U.S. since 2002

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Post by zepto »

rhizome wrote: post #22
clarkmoody wrote: post #15

Two obvious things: - Schools weren't opened for most of the month - Article is pushing an anti-gun agenda (not surprising for CBS) What is glaringly omitted: how is a "school shooting" defined? The article mentioned some event that happened on campus (in the football field), which probably counts as a "school shooting" knowing the source of the data is an anti gun rights group. I wouldn't be surprised if the definit…

You betray your own politics with the word "agenda," but taking you at face value, what's wrong with being anti-gun?

The biggest problem I see with being anti-gun, isn’t the desire to have a less fearful or violent society.

It’s that anti-gun positions generally are not at all anti-gun they are anti-private individual, but happy for the state to use guns, and thus to be the sole arbiter of who is defended and who is defenseless.

Re: March 2020 was the first March without a school shooting in the U.S. since 2002

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Post by [deleted] »

pjc50 wrote: post #20
clarkmoody wrote: post #15

Two obvious things: - Schools weren't opened for most of the month - Article is pushing an anti-gun agenda (not surprising for CBS) What is glaringly omitted: how is a "school shooting" defined? The article mentioned some event that happened on campus (in the football field), which probably counts as a "school shooting" knowing the source of the data is an anti gun rights group. I wouldn't be surprised if the definit…

I mean, yes, there's a "narrative" being "pushed" that kids getting shot dead is bad and unnecessary, and more or less unique to the US and active warzones, so perhaps (like the pandemic) you should do something about it rather than just count the bodies? Or in the case of Alex Jones, libel the parents of the victims?

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Re: March 2020 was the first March without a school shooting in the U.S. since 2002

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Post by garblegarble »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #26

Unless my reading comprehension is off this morning, that claim seems incredibly misleading. It seems like they're using two different definitions of school shooting. Even though there have been multiple shootings at schools in March of 2020, it's been decided none of them count because they either didn't involve students or because they were caused by negligence and not a desire to intentionally harm someone. Howeve…

The shooting in March 2003 also seems to be a suicide attempt

Re: March 2020 was the first March without a school shooting in the U.S. since 2002

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Post by ccffpphh »

oliwarner wrote: post #24
clarkmoody wrote: post #15

Two obvious things: - Schools weren't opened for most of the month - Article is pushing an anti-gun agenda (not surprising for CBS) What is glaringly omitted: how is a "school shooting" defined? The article mentioned some event that happened on campus (in the football field), which probably counts as a "school shooting" knowing the source of the data is an anti gun rights group. I wouldn't be surprised if the definit…

Yes. It's deliberate facetious. It's making the point that school gun violence is so widespread, so rampant, so unchallenged, that the only way to avoid it has been to shut schools completely. You shouldn't quibble over definitions, worry about narratives or attitudes. You should consider what can be done to make schools safer environments for our children.

We should ban encryption so shooters can't plan their attacks without being watched - for the children of course.

Re: March 2020 was the first March without a school shooting in the U.S. since 2002

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Post by GCSAQCMIYI »

pjc50 wrote: post #20
clarkmoody wrote: post #15

Two obvious things: - Schools weren't opened for most of the month - Article is pushing an anti-gun agenda (not surprising for CBS) What is glaringly omitted: how is a "school shooting" defined? The article mentioned some event that happened on campus (in the football field), which probably counts as a "school shooting" knowing the source of the data is an anti gun rights group. I wouldn't be surprised if the definit…

I mean, yes, there's a "narrative" being "pushed" that kids getting shot dead is bad and unnecessary, and more or less unique to the US and active warzones, so perhaps (like the pandemic) you should do something about it rather than just count the bodies? Or in the case of Alex Jones, libel the parents of the victims?

According to the article's sources, how many students or teachers were injured in a school shooting in, say, March 2006?

Re: March 2020 was the first March without a school shooting in the U.S. since 2002

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Post by oliwarner »

ccffpphh wrote: post #34
oliwarner wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. It's deliberate facetious. It's making the point that school gun violence is so widespread, so rampant, so unchallenged, that the only way to avoid it has been to shut schools completely. You shouldn't quibble over definitions, worry about narratives or attitudes. You should consider what can be done to make schools safer environments for our children.

We should ban encryption so shooters can't plan their attacks without being watched - for the children of course.

If that's the limit of our ability to consider something better, the kids don't stand a chance.

Re: March 2020 was the first March without a school shooting in the U.S. since 2002

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Post by CompanionCuuube »

oliwarner wrote: post #36
ccffpphh wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should ban encryption so shooters can't plan their attacks without being watched - for the children of course.

If that's the limit of our ability to consider something better , the kids don't stand a chance.

Exactly the problem with modern gun control proposals.

Re: March 2020 was the first March without a school shooting in the U.S. since 2002

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Post by crankylinuxuser »

asdflksdmfskd wrote: post #5
crankylinuxuser wrote: post #2

Bad statistic. School has been either cancelled or online. It's be like saying "No electrocutions" in the 1700s or no "social media anything's in the 1800s".

That's not what it's saying. The headline is suggesting it's notable that there has been a school shooting each March since 2003.

What's more interesting is how starkly negative and hypocritical HN is.

Yes, children are murdering other children with guns in school. If that mattered, we collectively would have done something to stop that. Politically, it didn't matter. Children were acceptable casualties for 'muricans' to have guns.

And politically, it's a pointless battle be it online -or- in person. HN certainly makes a point in not doing flamewars.. not much more flames can be stoked than with a gun debate with US politics (well, abortion).

So, I looked at their "statistic", in a dry scientific manner. Of course there's no gun violence at schools. They're cancelled or online.

Re: March 2020 was the first March without a school shooting in the U.S. since 2002

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Post by ccffpphh »

oliwarner wrote: post #36
ccffpphh wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We should ban encryption so shooters can't plan their attacks without being watched - for the children of course.

If that's the limit of our ability to consider something better , the kids don't stand a chance.

I mean, it's all about the children right? Anything for the children! Might as well wrap up each of them in a biosuit with restrained arm movement so there's absolutely 0% chance of anyone committing any sort of harm whatsoever.

Seriously, get real. Justifying the elimination of natural rights with "thinking of the children" is a common trope by authoritarians to seize control.

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