Here's a little quiz, which of the three phases are we in now?
a) Embrace
b) Extend
c) Extinguish
GitHub is now free for teams
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Re: GitHub is now free for teams
#562Hi HN, I'm the CEO of GitHub. Everyone at GitHub is really excited about this announcement, and I'm happy to answer any questions. We've wanted to make this change for the last 18 months, but needed our Enterprise business to be big enough to enable the free use of GitHub by the rest of the world. I'm happy to say that it's grown dramatically in the last year, and so we're able to make GitHub free for teams that don'…
Can you explain what happened to Atom development? I've seen numerous posts noting the sharp decline in contribution soon after the acquisition was announced. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22601451 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21142934 Without an official explanation, given the timing, it'd be reasonable to assume you pulled development resources away from it, the exact thing you actually went on Reddi…
Microsoft owns Github. Microsoft owns VS Code. VS Code is superior to Atom. Do you need an official comment? It seems abundantly obvious to me.
Nat is the CEO of GitHub, not Microsoft, and despite any promises made on a Reddit AMA a year ago, why would they devote resources to two competing editors?
Re: GitHub is now free for teams
#563Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you explain what happened to Atom development? I've seen numerous posts noting the sharp decline in contribution soon after the acquisition was announced. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22601451 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21142934 Without an official explanation, given the timing, it'd be reasonable to assume you pulled development resources away from it, the exact thing you actually went on Reddi…
Microsoft owns Github. Microsoft owns VS Code. VS Code is superior to Atom. Do you need an official comment? It seems abundantly obvious to me. Nat is the CEO of GitHub, not Microsoft, and despite any promises made on a Reddit AMA a year ago, why would they devote resources to two competing editors?
All I really want is to hear an explanation from Nat Friedman, CEO of GitHub, the human being, who said he wouldn't pull resources away from Atom development and then evidently did so soon after, to end all this needless speculation once and for all (and what you've suggested in your comment is still speculation, however plausible it might seem to you).
It offers very little solace to the few Atom users still hanging on, but I think the least he could do is end the speculation, and provide some certainty on Atom's future as a GitHub/Microsoft funded project so we could decide to either move on or stick around for longer.
Please realize that there still hasn't been an official statement that Atom's development at GitHub/Microsoft has been halted/dramatically reduced, or that they hope to transition it into a community led project, or anything to that effect.
I hope an official nail in the proverbial coffin is not too much to ask for.
EDIT: This comment was a lot snarkier in an earlier iteration. In hindsight, I realize that was in bad taste, so I've reworded it and adjusted the tone. I don't think being needlessly confrontational adds any substance to the discussion here (or anywhere else for that matter), so I would like to apologize for that and hopefully de-escalate so we can resume civil discourse.
Re: GitHub is now free for teams
#564Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is a really cynical take. I'm also not sure why you are conflating Silverlight with Web Forms - it was never competing with Web Forms, it was client-side only, a replacement to Flash - a better UI and API (at the time) than HTML/CSS/JS. Blazor is OSS , and doesn't work like Web Forms. As in your own quote, Blazor uses SignalR - which uses push-based comms, such as Web Sockets; Web Forms was standard HTTP.
> This is a really cynical take. I was a Web Forms developers, I've earned at least that. Blazor absolutely does work like Web Forms, in terms of client server integration, just because it uses WebAssembly & SignalR instead of JavaScript & Ajax doesn't really change that but rather obfuscates it. Essentially it is just another set of abstractions attempting to paper over a real boundary. > As in your own quote, Blazo…
Uh, have you used SignalR over web sockets? From a performance point of view its going to be much better than Http based polling. Which should make a different when we are talking about updating the UI.
Re: GitHub is now free for teams
#565Hi Nat, ICE kidnaps children and forces their captives to live in unsafe, inhumane, over-crowded conditions in the middle of a global pandemic. Why do you work with them?
Github donated the money ICE paid them to charities that are directly counteracting the bad things ICE is doing. Isn't that clearly better than just forcing ICE to install Gitlab?
No. It does nothing to hinder ICE's work. It does nothing to promote a culture of not helping or tolerating torturers.
Re: GitHub is now free for teams
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Can you explain this position? If GitHub were funding their free teams product with revenue from, say, organized crime which is kidnapping children, would it be appropriate and on-topic to ask about that? But it's no longer appropriate when it's a government agency? Is it just US government agencies, or would it be appropriate again to ask if the funding were coming from ISIS? Also, is it generally the case that comp…
Presumably ICE buys light bulbs. Should we also call out light bulb manufacturers and distributors for “working with ICE”? It’s not about politics for me, but rather the viewpoint that companies shouldn’t be the moral police of their customers.
If they do so directly, then yes, most certainly.
Re: GitHub is now free for teams
#567Earlier quoted context omitted.
Microsoft owns Github. Microsoft owns VS Code. VS Code is superior to Atom. Do you need an official comment? It seems abundantly obvious to me. Nat is the CEO of GitHub, not Microsoft, and despite any promises made on a Reddit AMA a year ago, why would they devote resources to two competing editors?
All I really want is to hear an explanation from Nat Friedman, CEO of GitHub, the human being, who said he wouldn't pull resources away from Atom development and then evidently did so soon after, to end all this needless speculation once and for all (and what you've suggested in your comment is still speculation, however plausible it might seem to you). It offers very little solace to the few Atom users still hanging…
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Re: GitHub is now free for teams
#568Earlier quoted context omitted.
That right they shouldn't because they engage human rights violations as a matter of policy.
but anyone including drug cartels are free to use github and google docs. sure it might be against Googles policy on a technically but are you seriously suggesting crime orgs care about the TOS included with their burner android phones?
You are not making any kind of argument here.
Re: GitHub is now free for teams
#569Hi Nat, ICE kidnaps children and forces their captives to live in unsafe, inhumane, over-crowded conditions in the middle of a global pandemic. Why do you work with them?
Don't need to be the CEO of GitHub to answer that question. Why? Because money.
They've stated that it's not actually that much money. Which makes the decision even more baffling. They could easily afford to drop the contract, but choose not to anyway.
Re: GitHub is now free for teams
#570Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you explain what happened to Atom development? I've seen numerous posts noting the sharp decline in contribution soon after the acquisition was announced. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22601451 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21142934 Without an official explanation, given the timing, it'd be reasonable to assume you pulled development resources away from it, the exact thing you actually went on Reddi…
I gave up on Atom this month because of the lack of development. Too bad really.
I gave up on Atom when it was released because it was the most slow editor I have ever seen.
It single handy bias me against Electron app until I discover VSCode.