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Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by darkarmani »

jonny_eh wrote: post #349
pc86 wrote: post #311

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Compliance with the spirit is the objective. Sometimes the spirit and the letter differ for any number of reasons (many of which are completely reasonable). People tend to get pretty upset when someone is very clearly complying with the letter while flying in complete opposition to the spirit, and it's not always an easy fix.

That's why the letter of the law needs to be updated to better reflect the spirit. Imagine if police could arrest you, and keep you, without telling you why. That's something that society figured out a long time ago isn't healthy.

> Imagine if police could arrest you, and keep you, without telling you why. That's something that society figured out a long time ago isn't healthy.

The judicial system that backs it is a massive beast. If someone wants that level of assurances, they should be paying thousands of dollars for a github account. You get the level of perfection you pay for.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by jbergstroem »

cf_ wrote: post #295
jbergstroem wrote: post #167

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I'll bite: They are shifting profits to CI and service landscape. I paid for 8 seats (previous: $64, now: $32) which gave me 10 000 included CI minutes (now: 3 000). I was just at that limit. Its surprisingly hard to find what the cost per minute is after that, but I guess I can check back in a month and see what my spending ends up at. I'm sure they have enough info about onboarding and unit economics to see how it…

I think it depends on OS (Linux is $0.008/Minute, but macOS is a lot more - like $0.08): https://github.com/features/actions (scroll to the bottom)

Ok, so that'd cost me USD$56, leading to a higher monthly than previous pricing. So, steering users toward the Action landscape is obviously a better monetization model.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by user5994461 »

tptacek wrote: post #364
user5994461 wrote: post #339

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I'm surprised you'd say SP-side libraries are open source. In my experience, it's always been mostly custom and close source in every company I've seen and done. You take some open source pieces you can (saml, xml, oidc, ssl, jwt) but permissions, groups, user attributes, keys are always per company then the whole thing together has to be supported into end-user applications running on language and frameworks of the…

What's the closed-source SAML library you're thinking of? Every SAML integration I've seen has been done with an open-source library.

I mean the company is writing it's own code for a significant part. Let's say one has to integrate SAML/OIDC into a Java app of some sort.

One can find an open source library to handle part of the SAML or XML in Java, but it doesn't take the right settings or import user attributes as needed or handle URL redirections properly. So the company has to write a ton of authentication code to make it work. It may start from an open-source library but the result is either separate code on top or an outright fork.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by DennisAleynikov »

geofft wrote: post #391
DennisAleynikov wrote: post #387

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terrible question and off topic get political complaints out of here, github is a programming tool. doesn't matter if police use the same non lethal tools as normal citizens.

Can you explain this position? If GitHub were funding their free teams product with revenue from, say, organized crime which is kidnapping children, would it be appropriate and on-topic to ask about that? But it's no longer appropriate when it's a government agency? Is it just US government agencies, or would it be appropriate again to ask if the funding were coming from ISIS? Also, is it generally the case that comp…

organized crime doesn't exist. governments are indeed allowed to commit organized crime as you said.

if you want to overthrow or change that government you are free to do so. revenue obtained from that government is as bloodstained as any capitalist money, and most sources of profit can be dismissed as exploitive. its quite literally the point of profits.

if github teams were funded by isis I literally would not change my opinion on github.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by DennisAleynikov »

geofft wrote: post #397
SrslyJosh wrote: post #381

Hi Nat, ICE kidnaps children and forces their captives to live in unsafe, inhumane, over-crowded conditions in the middle of a global pandemic. Why do you work with them?

Didn't he answer that in the comment you're replying to? He needed to get enough revenue from ICE to make GitHub free for non-enterprise users.

that's a gross misreading of the comment. ICE is by far not their biggest client and do not matter in the long run to funding free teams on Github

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by sneak »

sneak wrote: post #81
yingw787 wrote: post #8

Well, this is amazing! I never would have thought the Microsoft acquisition would have these kinds of results! Congrats to Nat and the GitHub team (and by extension Microsoft) for making this possible! I wonder whether this is a result of market conditions, or whether GitHub sees this is a first-to-market play of some sort, or whether it's something else. I hate to be a cynic given how much good Microsoft + GitHub ha…

I feel like anyone who lived through the 90s could have expected "these kinds of results". Git is open source and widely supported, which doesn't benefit Microsoft. By causing GitHub-specific features to be an essential part of a "modern" or "industry standard" git workflow, they can capture more marketshare/attention, and cause alternatives to be sidelined. This requires removing all friction to entering the proprie…

Other things I assume will fall in the future: accessing GitHub Issues via API (for anyone other than paying enterprise customers), support for third-party GitHub API clients (use our first-party app with built-in spyware only, please), et c.

One need only look at what they've done with Windows and Office and Xbox to see how Microsoft approaches client software.

Here's hoping I'm wrong about all of this.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by sergeykish »

K0SM0S wrote: post #207
irrational wrote: post #151

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Can it really be called a conspiracy theory when there is proof that MS has done this same sort of thing in the past? Past behavior is a good predictor of future behavior. Saying that someone has been shown to do something in the past, therefore it is likely that they will do the same thing in the future doesn't seem to qualify as a conspiracy theory.

The real question is whether corporations behave like "someone", like a natural (biological, real flesh-and-blood) person. Whereas there is a need for legal corporate personhood (so they can enter contracts, be sued and sue others, etc), the extent to which a corporation has a "personality" is very much debatable— sign contracts, sure; but fund political candidates? Have a political opinion even? That's crossing a bi…

People should be praised and be judged.

But dismissing presence of companies culture is as extreme point of view as dismissing possibility of change. To name a few - Oracle, Google, Facebook, Apple, Toyota, Tesla - they are different and quite predictable.

> If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.

I am not in "Evil MS" camp but

> Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me

Same as with people - sometimes they change but sometimes they don't

And corporations are inherently dangerous - they maximize profit. Unbound by law, unchecked by people, even amazing people with nicest slogans would make dystopia.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by hamandcheese »

geofft wrote: post #391
DennisAleynikov wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

terrible question and off topic get political complaints out of here, github is a programming tool. doesn't matter if police use the same non lethal tools as normal citizens.

Can you explain this position? If GitHub were funding their free teams product with revenue from, say, organized crime which is kidnapping children, would it be appropriate and on-topic to ask about that? But it's no longer appropriate when it's a government agency? Is it just US government agencies, or would it be appropriate again to ask if the funding were coming from ISIS? Also, is it generally the case that comp…

Presumably ICE buys light bulbs. Should we also call out light bulb manufacturers and distributors for “working with ICE”?

It’s not about politics for me, but rather the viewpoint that companies shouldn’t be the moral police of their customers.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by xapata »

devit wrote: post #361

Probably not very smart to use this feature, since your so-called "private" repository is an exploit or a leaking employee away from becoming public. Instead, use a self-hosted Gitlab instance or similar, preferably with an external firewall preventing outbound and non-team inbound connections if feasible.

How would that solve the "leaking employee" case?
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